The EV fact thread

[markjay]

Once more, the organised motorist doesn't drive to a filling station they turn in to one they are passing on the way home.
A separate dedicated trip to a filling station is a failure of organisation - of the lame.

OK, so here's my challenge - next time your car needs refuelling, check the time when you drive into the petrol station, and the time when you have left the petrol station - then please post how long it took (and how many liters were purchased). I'll do the same next time I plug-in my car, and we'll compare notes.

 

[Bellow]

OK, so here's my challenge - next time your car needs refuelling, check the time when you drive into the petrol station, and the time when you have left the petrol station - then please post how long it took (and how many liters were purchased). I'll do the same next time I plug-in my car, and we'll compare notes.

What will that prove?
I can give you the answer right now as it's the same everytime. It'll take me 5-10 minutes (LPG fills slower) it'll take 75-100 litres to brim the tank. 5-10 mins and I'm refuelled for 100% tank range.
For sure, your recharging at your door will be no more onerous - but nowhere near as quick for complete 100% range replenishment.

 

[markjay]

What will that prove?
I can give you the answer right now as it's the same everytime. It'll take me 5-10 minutes (LPG fills slower) it'll take 75-100 litres thinderenceo brim the tank. 5-10 mins and I'm refuelled for 100% tank range.
For sure, your recharging at your door will be no more onerous - but nowhere near as quick for complete 100% range replenishment.

If you are standing next to the car exposed to the elements and holding the nozzle, then speed is of the essence. But if I'm fast asleep in my bed, who cares how long it takes? As long as it's ready by the time I wake up in the morning

EDIT: in any event, I think that since we're down to counting minutes here, it is clear that charging an EV isn't a major obstacle, just a question of convenience.

 

[Skd884]

If you are standing next to the car exposed to the elements and holding the nozzle, then speed is of the essence. But if I'm fast asleep in my bed, who cares how long it takes? As long as it's ready by the time I wake up in the morning

EDIT: in any event, I think that since we're down to counting minutes here, it is clear that charging an EV isn't a major obstacle, just a question of convenience.

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[markjay]

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Ha ha, the N version

641 bhp for £65k...

That's roughly £100 per bhp

One for the AMG owners

 

[Deleted member 55947]

As someone who has done both, many many times over - No. It's considerably quicker and more convenient to plug it in where it's parked.... considerably.

This is not to say that driving to a petrol station is a chore, but it is simply.... less convenient.

As for time? Plugging it in, I estimate two minutes tops. Driving to the nearest petrol station, filling up, paying, driving back - between 15 and 20 minutes overall, in my case. Of course if you happen to live right next door to a petrol station, it will be quicker.

MJ may I ask if every resident in your road has an allocated parking space with a lamppost for charging thus enabling you to leave the car connected overnight?
The reason I ask is that while the majority of my street has off road parking for two cars the lampposts are few and far between. Also the residents of the nearest terraced houses have great difficulty in getting parked let alone either near their house or indeed a lamppost.

 

[SmartAmg]

It’s clear you’ve never driven an EV from this post.

Has any of the EV haters?

 

[SmartAmg]

Ha ha, the N version

641 bhp for £65k...

That's roughly £100 per bhp

One for the AMG owners

Or the MG X Power, pretty much as quick (not top speed but that's academic) for half that price.

 

[markjay]

MJ may I ask if every resident in your road has an allocated parking space with a lamppost for charging thus enabling you to leave the car connected overnight?
The reason I ask is that while the majority of my street has off road parking for two cars the lampposts are few and far between. Also the residents of the nearest terraced houses have great difficulty in getting parked let alone either near their house or indeed a lamppost.

In the streets around where I live, there's a lamppost roughly every third parking space. These are normal parking spots next to lamppost chargers, and any car can park there, EV or ICE, as long as it meets the regular parking restrictions for the bay (Resident Permit holders only, Pay-and-Display, Blue Badge holders, etc).

In addition, in every street, one or two lampposts have the parking space next to them marked as 'EV Only', and the parking there is for EV when charging only, with a maximum stay of 12 hours. This is to ensure that there's always a lamppost charger available if other cars (ICE or EV) happen to take up all of the parking spots next to the lampposts.

My favourite lamppost is the one right outside my front window (which isn't one of the 'EV Only 'parking restrictions), but if the parking space is not available then I'll charge the car on the next available lamppost down the road, on or the opposite side of the road.

On top of the slow 4.8kW lamppost chargers, at the street corner that are 4 parking bays with dedicated 22kW public chargers (not lampposts) and a parking limit of 4 hours, as well as a 50kW fast charger with a parking limit of 1 hours - I could use them if I needed to charge the car in a hurry, but the need never arose so far (and obviously the electricity from fast chargers costs more). Then, 5 minutes drive away there are four 40kW chargers at the local Aldi store, where the electricity is free, but I only used them a couple of times in the past two-and-a-half years since I got the EV - there are no particular restrictions but it just didn't seem right to leave the car there for more than a couple of hours or so.

 

[markjay]

Or the MG X Power, pretty much as quick (not top speed but that's academic) for half that price.

A megre 429 bhp..... pah.

But then it's only £80 per bhp..... hard to beat with any new car, ICE or EV!

It reminds me a story from back in the eighties when the Fiat Uno Turbo was first launched, and sold at a ridiculously low price. Phenomenal performance for its day, but still a Fiat... And so I asked someone who bought one if he wasn't concert about rust? He replied that he didn't care about the bodywork, since he figured out that for the price he actually only paid for the engine and transmission... the rest of the car came free-of-charge

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

As for time? Plugging it in, I estimate two minutes tops. Driving to the nearest petrol station, filling up, paying, driving back - between 15 and 20 minutes overall, in my case. Of course if you happen to live right next door to a petrol station, it will be quicker.

I was up and out of the house early this morning, driving an ICE car to an event in the Cotswolds. I was using the same car yesterday but it was howling down so I thought I’d wait until this morning.

However the first petrol station I could pass was at a motorway service station and it was close to the limit of my range, and then I’d be paying. It would also mean that I couldn’t drive cross country as planned.

The diversion from my preferred cross-country route, including the time taken to fill the tank and pay the cashier - measured by the delay to the satnav estimated time of arrival - was 22 minutes in total.

As I stood at the pump in more howling rain, I thought of this thread and how much more convenient it would have been to take an EV as I would have woken up fully charged for the 150 mile round trip.

 

[markjay]

That's the lamppost charger in front of my house ....

I was up and out of the house early this morning, driving an ICE car to an event in the Cotswolds. I was using the same car yesterday but it was howling down so I thought I’d wait until this morning.

However the first petrol station I could pass was at a motorway service station and it was close to the limit of my range, and then I’d be paying. It would also mean that I couldn’t drive cross country as planned.

The diversion from my preferred cross-country route, including the time taken to fill the tank and pay the cashier - measured by the delay to the satnav estimated time of arrival - was 22 minutes in total.

As I stood at the pump in more howling rain, I thought of this thread and how much more convenient it would have been to take an EV as I would have woken up fully charged for the 150 mile round trip.

The funny thing is that (according to some on here...) the time it takes to charge the EV on the go should include finding a charging station with a free bay, then finding a charging bay that isn't broken, and obviously queuing due to the high demand - however, petrol stations are never closed, never out of fuel, all pumps are always working, and there's never a queue......

 

[clk320x]

Has any of the EV haters?

Good point.

 

[Deleted member 55947]

In the streets around where I live, there's a lamppost roughly every third parking space. These are normal parking spots next to lamppost chargers, and any car can park there, EV or ICE, as long as it meets the regular parking restrictions for the bay (Resident Permit holders only, Pay-and-Display, Blue Badge holders, etc).

In addition, in every street, one or two lampposts have the parking space next to them marked as 'EV Only', and the parking there is for EV when charging only, with a maximum stay of 12 hours. This is to ensure that there's always a lamppost charger available if other cars (ICE or EV) happen to take up all of the parking spots next to the lampposts.

My favourite lamppost is the one right outside my front window (which isn't one of the 'EV Only 'parking restrictions), but if the parking space is not available then I'll charge the car on the next available lamppost down the road, on or the opposite side of the road.

On top of the slow 4.8kW lamppost chargers, at the street corner that are 4 parking bays with dedicated 22kW public chargers (not lampposts) and a parking limit of 4 hours, as well as a 50kW fast charger with a parking limit of 1 hours - I could use them if I needed to charge the car in a hurry, but the need never arose so far (and obviously the electricity from fast chargers costs more). Then, 5 minutes drive away there are four 40kW chargers at the local Aldi store, where the electricity is free, but I only used them a couple of times in the past two-and-a-half years since I got the EV - there are no particular restrictions but it just didn't seem right to leave the car there for more than a couple of hours or so.

Wow! There’s probably more chargers in your street than in the whole of the Borough I live in (82 square miles) I kid you not. We have a lamppost about every 100m or so, certainly some levelling up to do

 

[BTB 500]

Wow! There’s probably more chargers in your street than in the whole of the Borough I live in (82 square miles) I kid you not. We have a lamppost about every 100m or so, certainly some levelling up to do

I've mentioned it before but the nearest town to us has three public EV charging sites with a total of twelve outlets between them for a population of over 12,000 people (obviously plus non-residents coming in to work/shop/etc. there).

 

[davymead]

Lots of room here on the Island ….

 

[markjay]

Wow! There’s probably more chargers in your street than in the whole of the Borough I live in (82 square miles) I kid you not. We have a lamppost about every 100m or so, certainly some levelling up to do

I've mentioned it before but the nearest town to us has three public EV charging sites with a total of twelve outlets between them for a population of over 12,000 people (obviously plus non-residents coming in to work/shop/etc. there).

 

[markjay]

The yellow ones are the lamppost chargers.

A green surround means it is currently in use.

The other yellow chargers are lamppost chargers not currently in use (though it does not mean that the parking spaces next to them are actually free).

The blue ones are 22kW public chargers. The purple ones are 50kW public chargers. The blue/purple are chargers that have both 22kW and 50kW charging.

The streets with no chargers are streets without street parking (main roads etc).

 

[Deleted member 55947]

I’ve just checked our local council site and there are 16 chargers in the borough for over 200000 residents.

 

[davymead]

Know the area well. Mind you’d need plenty of lampost chargers for the residents there …..