The EV fact thread

[poormansporsche]

The difference with smoking (except secondary smoking) alcohol and obesity is that they don’t hurt others, only yourself.

If you say so.

I think a Woman in a domestic violence refuge would probably disagree with you (plus a million other examples I could mention when it comes to booze)

Or in my own personal experience. "We have no capacity to do a immediate ECG on your seriously ill daughter, jog on and we will be in touch within 3 months or so". But it's ok we will do a immediate ECG on the 20 stone 10 year old child that is accompanied by his 30 stone parents and 3 morbidly obese siblings taking up all the seats in paediatric A and E. And they wonder why hospitals are a hot bed of violence !

 

[clk320x]

Or in my own personal experience. "We have no capacity to do a immediate ECG on your seriously ill daughter, jog on and we will be in touch within 3 months or so". But it's ok we will do a immediate ECG on the 20 stone 10 year old child that is accompanied by his 30 stone parents and 3 morbidly obese siblings taking up all the seats in paediatric A and E. And they wonder why hospitals are a hot bed of violence !

The NHS has to prioritise patients with higher risk factors, unfortunately with a free at point of use service these are the limitations you face.

It’s likely despite your daughter being unwell, an ECG specifically wasn’t warranted at the time.

What would be your suggested solution to the issue?

 

[clk320x]

If you say so.

I think a Woman in a domestic violence refuge would probably disagree with you (plus a million other examples I could mention when it comes to booze)

I don’t drink alcohol, I’m assuming you don’t also? Considering the millions of negative scenarios you can mention about it?

 

[markjay]

The NHS has to prioritise patients with higher risk factors, unfortunately with a free at point of use service these are the limitations you face.

It’s likely despite your daughter being unwell, an ECG specifically wasn’t warranted at the time.

What would be your suggested solution to the issue?

This is part of a more general theme.

If I live modesty, save most of my wages, pay off my mortgage, build up my pension fund, then I'll reach old age with a reasonable level of financial security. When I need a care home, I'll ne expected to sell my house to help finance it.

If I 'live life to the full', go on packaged holidays four times a year, buy the latest flat panel TV every year and live in rented accommodation, I'll reach old age penniless. When I need a care home, I'll be prioritised over all those other sad gits who saved money all their lives.

I think it's called 'Socialism'.

 

[markjay]

The general idea here is that there are no consequences for bad behaviour. If anything, it will get you prioritised over all those other people who always do the right thing.

 

[poormansporsche]

The NHS has to prioritise patients with higher risk factors, unfortunately with a free at point of use service these are the limitations you face.

It’s likely despite your daughter being unwell, an ECG specifically wasn’t warranted at the time.

What would be your suggested solution to the issue?

I have no solution. I'm somewhat more pragmatic and accepting than the Wife when it comes to the NHS. I can understand the frustrations and there's no point moaning, the best thing to do is just work with it. In this particular case I pulled a grand out of my back pocket and paid privately and the Consultant that we saw actually ended up doing a urgent NHS referral to himself for further treatment ! Madness. But explaining to a child that we are not going to have a holiday for the forth year in a row because despite me working 7 days a week all our money is going on healthcare is somewhat disheartening.

I just disagreed with your particular statement that Booze and Obesity only affects yourself. I would probably argue that booze and obesity probably kills more third party people than any vehicle emissions.

I have no issues with EVs or the will to reduce localised pollution. It just seems there's no coherent all encompassing plan. You could get the fairies to remove all the countries speed humps overnight and pollution levels would drop like a stone but the accident rate would probably go through the roof. So what life do we value more ?

There is no answer to the liberty v mobility v health v freedom question.

But he ho I will leave it to more intelligent people than me.

 

[BIGDOG]

This is part of a more general theme.

If I live modesty, save most of my wages, pay off my mortgage, build up my pension fund, then I'll reach old age with a reasonable level of financial security. When I need a care home, I'll ne expected to sell my house to help finance it.

If I 'live life to the full', go on packaged holidays four times a year, buy the latest flat panel TV every year and live in rented accommodation, I'll reach old age penniless. When I need a care home, I'll be eprioritised over all those other sad gits who saved money all their lives.

I think it's called 'Socialism'.

Or there is the middle ground.

 

[Bellow]

Or there is the middle ground.

Where money recycles through the economy to the benefit of all.

 

[poormansporsche]

I don’t drink alcohol, I’m assuming you don’t also? Considering the millions of negative scenarios you can mention about it?

I do drink booze but at this stage I'm not a "boozer"

But I'm fully aware that I'm only one small step away from it affecting other people !

 

[clk320x]

The general idea here is that there are no consequences for bad behaviour. If anything, it will get you prioritised over all those other people who always do the right thing.

Yep, that’s the UK for you.

I can’t wait to emigrate… about 2 years left in this country for me all being well.

 

[poormansporsche]

The general idea here is that there are no consequences for bad behaviour. If anything, it will get you prioritised over all those other people who always do the right thing.

Yes. Prioritised.

Aggressive porkers blatantly ignoring the one child one parent rule in A and E get whatever they want whilst I'm sitting in the car whilst the wife has to deal with it all on her own.

It's all ok that I'm a grand down as I've got the moral high ground

 

[clk320x]

It's all ok that I'm a grand down as I've got the moral high ground

Private healthcare is a good investment though, it’s not just the speed, but the actual hospitals are far nicer and the service is much better. If you can afford it private health insurance is a no-brainer IMO, we wouldn’t be without it… (despite the fact that price seems to go up 30% every year )

 

[poormansporsche]

Private healthcare is a good investment though, it’s not just the speed, but the actual hospitals are far nicer and the service is much better. If you can afford it private health insurance is a no-brainer IMO, we wouldn’t be without it… (despite the fact that price seems to go up 30% every year )

Agreed. Been there done that. Unfortunately Physical health problems caused by Mental Health problems are not covered so no longer pay the insurance just pay for the treatment. Unlike the the demanding entitled great unwashed I do what I have to do to look after my children's health. If this means we all go without the latest iPhone or a 100k rented car, so be it.

 

[clk320x]

I do what I have to do to look after my children's health. If this means we all go without the latest iPhone or a 100k rented car, so be it

Massive respect to you, that’s a good father right there.

 

[poormansporsche]

Massive respect to you, that’s a good father right there.

I'm not a particularly good Father but I do have especially good kids. They accept that they have it a lot better than some other kids, they live in a nice house, in a nice area, they don't have to share a room etc etc. But the main thing is they are not bitter about what the local rich kids have. Despite being ill my 13 year old has earned 900 quid selling toot on Vinted in the last 3 months but still shops at Shein

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

If you say so.

I think a Woman in a domestic violence refuge would probably disagree with you (plus a million other examples I could mention when it comes to booze)

Or in my own personal experience. "We have no capacity to do an immediate ECG on your seriously ill daughter, jog on and we will be in touch within 3 months or so". But it's ok we will do a immediate ECG on the 20 stone 10 year old child that is accompanied by his 30 stone parents and 3 morbidly obese siblings taking up all the seats in paediatric A and E. And they wonder why hospitals are a hot bed of violence !

Did that really happen? An ECG is so quick and easy and performing one so critical if there is even the slightest cause for concern, theni can’t imagine that anyone would have to wait so long.

Edited to add: Just read your later post - glad you managed to find a route to get the right care quickly

 

[poormansporsche]

Did that really happen? An ECG is so quick and easy and performing one so critical if there is even the slightest cause for concern, theni can’t imagine that anyone would have to wait so long.

Edited to add: Just read your later post - glad you managed to find a route to get the right care quickly

Dunno the Wife is the organiser of such things and knowing my Daughter it was probably some super special one that was required or a EEG or something. I had already left by then as requested by the staff unlike the "others" family members. Anyways though it's done us a favour as we wouldn't have met this particular Consultant and we do seem to be moving forwards now. So perhaps a bit of Karma !



Another thread meander


Probably best if we get back to the normal EV bashings !!!!

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Dunno the Wife is the organiser of such things and knowing my Daughter it was probably some super special one that was required or a EEG or something. I had already left by then as requested by the staff unlike the "others" family members. Anyways though it's done us a favour as we wouldn't have met this particular Consultant and we do seem to be moving forwards now. So perhaps a bit of Karma !



Another thread meander


Probably best if we get back to the normal EV bashings !!!!

Yeahhhh blooming EVs.

PS Glad it worked out for the best

 

[clk320x]

Dunno the Wife is the organiser of such things and knowing my Daughter it was probably some super special one that was required or a EEG or something. I had already left by then as requested by the staff unlike the "others" family members. Anyways though it's done us a favour as we wouldn't have met this particular Consultant and we do seem to be moving forwards now. So perhaps a bit of Karma !



Another thread meander


Probably best if we get back to the normal EV bashings !!!!

Yes it was probably an EEG if investigating for epilepsy etc?

 

[markjay]

The good news is that I see more and more of this in the UK (having seen it in France and Switzerland):