The EV fact thread

[ALFAitalia]

@Bellow Very unlikely........most people with EVs never/rarely use all the performance.......just like most people with powerful ICE cars don't. I do wonder though how much more range they could get if the cars were given a more sensible but acceptable average 0 to 60 (lets say 7 seconds)....Brutal acceleration uses a lots more fuel whether its EV or ICE??

 

[markjay]

Demolishing buildings is rather a dramatic conclusion....

How do you suggest the achieve this, then:

If you want to breathe clean(er) air then yes. Less building more planting.

 

[ChipChop]

How do you suggest the achieve this, then:

Demolishing buildings is rather a dramatic conclusion. Think instead of new tree lined streets in areas known to have local air quality issues. Grants to encourage residents & businesses to plant evergreens in window boxes etc.

Puzzling how pragmatic solutions to local air quality issues often elicit such a response. But then again i am forgetting emissions zones are there just to extract money from the public and actually solving local air quality issues would curtail that flow of free money.

 

[markjay]

You're moving the goalposts... you said "less buildings". Now you're saying we won't have less buildings? Just trying to have a rational debate.

 

[ChipChop]

You're moving the goalposts... you said "less buildings". Now you're saying we won't have less buildings? Just trying to have a rational debate.

Less Building. I was under the impression greater London is one large never ending construction site thanks to all the (foreign?) money floating around. Get them to plant some environmentally beneficial trees as part of the deal.

 

[clk320x]

Have you never owned an old petrol or diesel car?

I have owned 2 diesel vehicles, but I didn’t cry when I got charged to enter emission zones, and instead embraced the change to EV/compliant vehicles. I’ve also owned a few petrol cars but they were all compliant with emission zones anyways.

 

[clk320x]

Nah, ban the lot: cigarettes, chocolate, beer: the thing's that really kill, not ten year old diesels in the middle of Yorkshire

I mean I don’t disagree. Personally I couldn’t care less about cigarettes, chocolate or beer.

 

[markjay]

Less Building. I was under the impression greater London is one large never ending construction site thanks to all the (foreign?) money floating around. Get them to plant some environmentally beneficial trees as part of the deal.

This is a typical street in my area. Not sure how many more trees can be planted here?

 

[ChipChop]

This is a typical street in my area. Not sure how many more trees can be planted here?

And does the street pictured have local air pollution problems?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

And does the street pictured have local air pollution problems?

From the TWO modern cars that are being driven in it ?

 

[Bellow]

This is a typical street in my area. Not sure how many more trees can be planted here?

Getting rid of that stupid speed hump and finding a better way to enforce speed limits would work wonders.
Another solution to be rejected.

 

[Harrythedog]

I have owned 2 diesel vehicles, but I didn’t cry when I got charged to enter emission zones, and instead embraced the change to EV/compliant vehicles. I’ve also owned a few petrol cars but they were all compliant with emission zones anyways.

So not an old car then, lucky you

 

[clk320x]

So not an old car then, lucky you

What do you define as old? At the minute I still own a 09 W212 E250, hoping to get rid of it by the end of the month. It’s only done about 2k miles a year the last few years.

 

[Harrythedog]

What do you define as old? At the minute I still own a 09 W212 E250, hoping to get rid of it by the end of the month. It’s only done about 2k miles a year the last few years.

The point I’m trying to make is a lot of people can’t afford to replace their “20 year old diesel “ so your comment that they should replace them instead of causing a health hazard is a bit sanctimonious.
While you appear to be more than happy to pay a conjestion charge and obviously don’t miss the money please bear in mind it is a drain on some people’s incomes so perhaps you should show a little humility before pontificating

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

If those who can do, and those who won’t don’t, then it will all sort itself out in the end.

Eventually even expensive brand new EVs will become inexpensive older EVs, just like the expensive brand new ICEs will become inexpensive older ICEs.

At which point most of those who won’t will, and the small number who still won’t won’t matter.

The concerns about battery life, charging infrastructure, cost of renewables, capacity of local power networks, and “invasion” of Chinese EVs will all prove to be less of an issue or surmountable.

The feared will become the accepted. The minority will become the majority, and life will go on.

 

[markjay]

And does the street pictured have local air pollution problems?

Unfortunately, the road I live in is quite wide and used by lorries (and ambulances and fire engines and police cars). The speed limit was recently reduced from 30mph to 20mph, but there are no traffic calming measures (due to it being a main route for emergency vehicles), resulting in cars speeding (as can be seen on the digital speed display located halfway through the road). I don't have any air quality figured, but when the vans and big lorries drive through you can often smell the Diesel fumes.

 

[clk320x]

The point I’m trying to make is a lot of people can’t afford to replace their “20 year old diesel “ so your comment that they should replace them instead of causing a health hazard is a bit sanctimonious.
While you appear to be more than happy to pay a conjestion charge and obviously don’t miss the money please bear in mind it is a drain on some people’s incomes so perhaps you should show a little humility before pontificating

Perhaps I have little sympathy when it comes to these things, but there’s an element of ‘you have to pay to play’ here.

Where do we draw the line with ‘some can’t afford to do something, so it shouldn’t happen’…? All this does is slow down advancement.

There are alternative forms of transport available in city centres for those who cannot afford to drive.

‘Out in the sticks’ where public transport can be subpar there are no emission zones…

I think we are mixing up emission zones and the transition to EV though. A compliant petrol car can be had for as little as £500 so should be within reach of basically everyone driving.

I’m not advocating everyone needs to buy an EV.

However, I take your points onboard and agree the costs may affect some peoples finances.

 

[markjay]

Getting rid of that stupid speed hump and finding a better way to enforce speed limits would work wonders.
Another solution to be rejected.

BTW, I was walking while posting and just took the photo where I was at the time, this street is near where I live, but my actual street does not have traffic calming measures.

 

[markjay]

The point I’m trying to make is a lot of people can’t afford to replace their “20 year old diesel “ so your comment that they should replace them instead of causing a health hazard is a bit sanctimonious.
While you appear to be more than happy to pay a conjestion charge and obviously don’t miss the money please bear in mind it is a drain on some people’s incomes so perhaps you should show a little humility before pontificating

Are you referring to ULEZ? If so, why can't people replace a 20 years old Diesel car with a 20 years old petrol car? Two different people I know had Hondas (Jazz and CR-V), both 2002 cars, and both ULEZ compliant. The Jazz was given away for free (it was probably worth £500), the CR-V went at the time for £1,500-1,700.

 

[ChipChop]

Unfortunately, the road I live in is quite wide and used by lorries (and ambulances and fire engines and police cars). The speed limit was recently reduced from 30mph to 20mph, but there are no traffic calming measures (due to it being a main route for emergency vehicles), resulting in cars speeding (as can be seen on the digital speed display located halfway through the road). I don't have any air quality figured, but when the vans and big lorries drive through you can often smell the Diesel fumes.

So no local air quality problems then and the emergency services have good access to your location.