The EV fact thread

[SmartAmg]

Yes, I've seem these around. Typically (in my area, at leat) the issue isn't shortage of public chargers, instead it's the low-tax ridiculously-cheap night tariff that tempts the penny-pitchers to do this. Electricity from public chargers can be 5 times the cost of home electricity,

Don't agree with calling them "penny pinchers" Who wouldn't, if they could.
And it's not the public's fault, that night Tarrif tax is low. Again, who wouldn't if they could. The public is just taking advantage of a small perk, while they can.
Until the government, inevitably cotton on,
and up the VAT.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Not sure how this is going to work when everyone in this row of 25 terraced houses follow their (one so far) neighbours choice of vehicle . You see her the 'charger' box laying in the gutter a few doors down from the owners home . The other end is plugged into a socket in the open porch of the house.

Stealing the whole caboodle would take seconds . At least if it burst into flames the owners home will not be affected (only joking , EV's don't burst into flames as much as ICE cars) .

I know I'm not adding anything practical to a thread I started but this one image shows the current reality (see what I did there) of this owners EV experience , and IMHO it's not a good look.

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I’m sure the people living there will find a way of making it work. It will take many years for them all to have an EV, and then when they do, the average person might only top up once or twice per week.

Some of those who do eventually have an EV in that street may be able to park on their driveway, in the same way that some of them park their ICE cars on their drives today.

For those who will need to charge at the kerb, then there are more permanent (but quick to install solutions) available (links below), which remove the trip hazard and untidy appearance.

Pavecross™ - An Introduction

Charging your EV at home will forever be the most convenient and cheapest solution - provided you have off-street parking. Pavecross solves this - benefitting residents of Britain's 7.25m terraced homes.

www.pavecross.com

Our Solution - Gul-e | No Driveway? No Problem!

The simplest, fastest solution to on-street charging at home, allowing you to safely charge your EV parked at the kerbside.

gul-e.co.uk

Edited to add: PS The plug locks into position in the car’s charging port, so it can’t easily be stolen without damaging the charger, the car or more likely both

 

[BTB 500]

Not sure how this is going to work when everyone in this row of 25 terraced houses follow their (one so far) neighbours choice of vehicle . You see her the 'charger' box laying in the gutter a few doors down from the owners home . The other end is plugged into a socket in the open porch of the house.

The other issue is that you're not guaranteed to be able to park outside your own house anyway. My sister lives on a similar road in SE London with zero off road parking - it's half a mile long and there are just two 5 kW chargers, both right at one end.

 

[Dryce]

The other issue is that you're not guaranteed to be able to park outside your own house anyway. My sister lives on a similar road in SE London with zero off road parking - it's half a mile long and there are just two 5 kW chargers, both right at one end.

I would ask how many miles these cars actually do each week. Do they need overnight charging.

A relative in SE London bought a petrol car this summer because of this issue. There are two charging points on his section of street. Nobody parks in the same place after they move their car and come back. He usually doesn't get to park outside his house.

But a counter argument is that he works in the City and commutes by rail/tube so doesn't stick many miles on his car most weeks - so how often would he actually need to charge?

Maybe in London you could have car charging services - bit like dog walking services - you pay to have somebody come round and collect your car - charge it - and return it. You could have a combined service pet visiting / walking and car charging service.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Maybe in London you could have car charging services - bit like dog walking services - you pay to have somebody come round and collect your car - charge it - and return it. You could have a combined service pet visiting / walking and car charging service.

They come to you.

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[BTB 500]

I would ask how many miles these cars actually do each week. Do they need overnight charging.

A relative in SE London bought a petrol car this summer because of this issue. There are two charging points on his section of street. Nobody parks in the same place after they move their car and come back. He usually doesn't get to park outside his house.

But a counter argument is that he works in the City and commutes by rail/tube so doesn't stick many miles on his car most weeks - so how often would he actually need to charge?

Maybe in London you could have car charging services - bit like dog walking services - you pay to have somebody come round and collect your car - charge it - and return it. You could have a combined service pet visiting / walking and car charging service.

For sure, but of course people may want a car for purposes other than commuting e.g. a couple where one parent is at home with kids during the day.

It's also not just London - my other sister lives in Worthing, and there are few public chargers on congested residential streets there either.

 

[markjay]

The other issue is that you're not guaranteed to be able to park outside your own house anyway. My sister lives on a similar road in SE London with zero off road parking - it's half a mile long and there are just two 5 kW chargers, both right at one end.

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My understanding is that the companies providing the chargers (lamppost chargers or bollard chargers) are quite keen on installing them, however some local Councils are more cooperative than others. I can only assume that the take-up of EVs in the areas is relatively slow and the majority of residents don't see the provision of public chargers as a priority for them.

 

[Bellow]

They come to you.

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I'd need to know more of what exactly in the way of kit does the recharging. If it is a another vehicle I will pray daily that this doesn't become the norm. Roads blocked with the EVs of the half ****d who couldn't ensure sufficient charge for their intended journey hailed as ''progress''.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I'd need to know more of what exactly in the way of kit does the recharging. If it is an another vehicle I will pray daily that this doesn't become the norm. Roads blocked with the EVs of the half ****d who couldn't ensure sufficient charge for their intended journey hailed as ''progress''.

I can’t imagine it will ever be widespread. As the public charging infrastructure continues to improve even further and drivers become acclimatise to driving EVs then the perceived need for mobile charging in the event of an emergency should reduce. Like now, the actual requirement for emergency mobile charging will be by exception.

 

[Bellow]

I can’t imagine it will ever be widespread. As the public charging infrastructure continues to improve even further and drivers become acclimatise to driving EVs then the perceived need for mobile charging in the event of an emergency should reduce. Like now, the actual requirement for emergency mobile charging will be by exception.

Probably, but it is being 'sold' as a viable alternative to public charging (note price comparison).

 

[markjay]

Probably, but it is being 'sold' as a viable alternative to public charging (note price comparison).

Is it? 'Pavement charging'? I don't think so... charging using cheap home tariff is a great idea IF you have a driveway, but running extension cords across the pavement isn't something that I've seen being encouraged (and rightly so).

 

[pioneercollector]

Following on from my earlier thread which i listed the cars in my lane ( Apparently the two EV's were a visiting family member and the other one was a local nurse! ) I made a mental note to look at all the cars on my walk down to the gym. At the end of my lane is a church, i walk through the churchyard and turn left into Weston park. There are around 40 very large ( 6 - 10 Bed Georgian / Victorian homes ) and yes some are flats, but most seem to be in single occupancy. There were two EV's hooked up i the driveway in total, and oddly enough i noted that the majority of vehicles were good quality sensibly vehicles that were around 10 - 15 years of age! I am not talking Bentleys here, i am talking BMW Estate cars, AUDI estate cars, Nissan SUV's and small city cars. ( And dog friendly vehicles abound! )
I walk through here at 7.30am on a Saturday so most cars were on the long driveways.
From this small cross section of the wealthy end on the village i deduce that people with money choose their cars wisely and buy them outright, look after them and keep them for as long as practicable ??? And so not get too hung up on having the latest fad,

Could be wrong.......

 

[markjay]

Following on from my earlier thread which i listed the cars in my lane ( Apparently the two EV's were a visiting family member and the other one was a local nurse! ) I made a mental note to look at all the cars on my walk down to the gym. At the end of my lane is a church, i walk through the churchyard and turn left into Weston park. There are around 40 very large ( 6 - 10 Bed Georgian / Victorian homes ) and yes some are flats, but most seem to be in single occupancy. There were two EV's hooked up i the driveway in total, and oddly enough i noted that the majority of vehicles were good quality sensibly vehicles that were around 10 - 15 years of age! I am not talking Bentleys here, i am talking BMW Estate cars, AUDI estate cars, Nissan SUV's and small city cars. ( And dog friendly vehicles abound! )
I walk through here at 7.30am on a Saturday so most cars were on the long driveways.
From this small cross section of the wealthy end on the village i deduce that people with money choose their cars wisely and buy them outright, look after them and keep them for as long as practicable ??? And so not get too hung up on having the latest fad,

Could be wrong.......

True, however you have to ask yourself if it's not a chicken and egg situation.

I.e., are there few public chargers because the local people shun EVs... or are there few EVs because there no public chargers?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Not sure how this is going to work when everyone in this row of 25 terraced houses follow their (one so far) neighbours choice of vehicle . You see her the 'charger' box laying in the gutter a few doors down from the owners home . The other end is plugged into a socket in the open porch of the house.

Stealing the whole caboodle would take seconds . At least if it burst into flames the owners home will not be affected (only joking , EV's don't burst into flames as much as ICE cars) .

I know I'm not adding anything practical to a thread I started but this one image shows the current reality (see what I did there) of this owners EV experience , and IMHO it's not a good look.

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If anyone wants to see (or steal) granny chargers in use, come to "Leafy South West London," where they're all over our terraced streets.

They're not there for long, as they deliver 6-10 miles per hour. A couple of overnights is more than enough for the average driver, but there they are.

Even if the whole street was full of EV's, which it won't be for decades, you'd still only see a couple of cables being connected at a time. Because you don't need to be connected for too long, and people will also be charging at work and elsewhere.

The charger is locked to the car, of course, but "where there's a will, there's a way." (I haven't heard of much charger theft, but who knows?)

For those wealthy enough to have a driveway, it's still common to just run the Granny out of a lightly opened window.

(My vicar prefers a proper dedicated charger box for her BMW I3)

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Don't agree with calling them "penny pinchers" Who wouldn't, if they could.
And it's not the public's fault, that night Tarrif tax is low. Again, who wouldn't if they could. The public is just taking advantage of a small perk, while they can.
Until the government, inevitably cotton on,
and up the VAT.

Agreed.

It's cheap power because it saves the electricity company a fortune to provide electricity overnight when industry, commerce and private homes aren't using power.

After the Chancellor's benevolence towards petrol and diesel this week, it's likely that we'll start taxing EV's properly in the course of this Parliament.

The Chancellor will gain billions by delaying the EV roll out at every level.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Apropos of nothing I have just returned from a month long business trip to South Africa , drove around 3000 Km while there .

You know where this is going .

How many full EV's did I see ?

None , not one . I saw one charging station consisting of one plug . It was Audi branded (?) so there must be some EV's around . They do have about 15 coal fired power stations and an almost completely collapsed power grid , but thats another story.

One of the factories I visited in KwaZulu natal had two coal fired boilers being fed by one bloke with a wheelbarrow. They need the steam 24/7 so he must be well paid .

Wheelbarrow parked up , must be on Tea break.

 

[SmartAmg]

[QUOTE="Petrol Pete
Apropos of nothing I have just returned from a month long business trip to South Africa , drove around 3000 Km while there .

You know where this is going .

How many full EV's did I see ?

None , not one .
[/QUOTE]

And your point, is?

 

[Petrol Pete]

I’m sure the people living there will find a way of making it work. It will take many years for them all to have an EV, and then when they do, the average person might only top up once or twice per week.

Some of those who do eventually have an EV in that street may be able to park on their driveway, in the same way that some of them park their ICE cars on their drives today.

For those who will need to charge at the kerb, then there are more permanent (but quick to install solutions) available (links below), which remove the trip hazard and untidy appearance.

Pavecross™ - An Introduction

Charging your EV at home will forever be the most convenient and cheapest solution - provided you have off-street parking. Pavecross solves this - benefitting residents of Britain's 7.25m terraced homes.

www.pavecross.com

Our Solution - Gul-e | No Driveway? No Problem!

The simplest, fastest solution to on-street charging at home, allowing you to safely charge your EV parked at the kerbside.

gul-e.co.uk

Edited to add: PS The plug locks into position in the car’s charging port, so it can’t easily be stolen without damaging the charger, the car or more likely both

It will be stolen for the tiny amount of copper in it , not for it's potential re sale value on Ebay as a car charger. Junkies don't work that way.

 

[Petrol Pete]

[QUOTE="Petrol Pete
Apropos of nothing I have just returned from a month long business trip to South Africa , drove around 3000 Km while there .

You know where this is going .

How many full EV's did I see ?

None , not one .

And your point, is?
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My point is I spent a while in a country that is aligning itself with Chins/Russia and their friends. But seems to have zero interest in the complete bollocks that is 'Net Zero' mantra that will impoverish us all (in the UK) , They just want bread on the table.

 

[SmartAmg]

And your point, is?

My point is I spent a while in a country that is aligning itself with Chins/Russia and their friends. But seems to have zero interest in the complete bollocks that is 'Net Zero' mantra that will impoverish us all (in the UK) , They just want bread on the table.
[/QUOTE]

Have to admit I agree, about EVs having anything whatsoever to do with, Climate change cobblers, they don't. But they are here, and that's it, like it or loathe it.
But why will they impoverish us all in the UK?