The EV fact thread

[ChipChop]

Bit of thread wander here!

EV vans first registered before 1st March 2015 are MOT exempt. EV fact thread back on track.

 

[Pontoneer]

Date of first registration is usually the date used for mot exemption, at exactly 40 years old, and the historic tax class, on the 1st of April (start of financial year) following the date of first registration.. An owners club may be able to provide a date when the vehicle was manufactured if the owner wants to try their luck to get an earlier start date but i have no idea what the legitimate process for that is. Used for imported classics possibly?

With Mercedes-Benz you can get a certificate from the Oldtimer Centre documenting the date of manufacture ; I got mine for my Ponton many years ago , in the form of a letter from Herr Von Pein , for free , but I believe it is now charged for .

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Useful for 40 year old EVs though

Very close to 40 years old!

 

[BTB 500]

Very close to 40 years old!

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Over 40 years old

 

[Pontoneer]

Significantly over 40 years of age , and another non-ICE vehicle

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Significantly over 40 years of age , and another non-ICE vehicle

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Certainly External Combustion, but still a CO2, pollution and fossil fuel issue here.

My genes go back all the way back to steam powered traction engines.

We still wonder why they stopped using steam trains underground

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[clk320x]

Saw this online today and reminded me of this thread.

 

[ALFAitalia]

That was "when someone is vegan" ... before the bad paintshop!

 

[Bellow]

In respect of the Road fund tax, the DVLA will accept a dating certificate if they recognise the issuer but that was going to cost more than a years tax so it was a pointless exercise. I did have evidence in the form of production dates for my serial number but that wasn't accepted even though the information was produced by BMW.

The MOT exemption is self declared in that you fill in a form V112 and hand it in at the post office in leu of an MOT certificate. That only needs doing once.

Date of first registration is usually the date used for mot exemption, at exactly 40 years old, and the historic tax class, on the 1st of April (start of financial year) following the date of first registration.. An owners club may be able to provide a date when the vehicle was manufactured if the owner wants to try their luck to get an earlier start date but i have no idea what the legitimate process for that is. Used for imported classics possibly?

It was more the 'conditions' for MOT and VED exemption I had in mind. For one of those (MOT?) the vehicle has to be close to how it left the factory and any subsequent modifications can obviate the exemption and the likes of the owners clubs are called on to approve/disapprove disputed modifications. I think it is the MOT exemption that hangs on this and am interested to know the extent of modifications permitted before exemption is revoked.

 

[190]

It was more the 'conditions' for MOT and VED exemption I had in mind. For one of those (MOT?) the vehicle has to be close to how it left the factory and any subsequent modifications can obviate the exemption and the likes of the owners clubs are called on to approve/disapprove disputed modifications. I think it is the MOT exemption that hangs on this and am interested to know the extent of modifications permitted before exemption is revoked.

It's explained in some detail on the form V112 that I mentioned. It defines what substantial change means and lists a number of exemptions, you can even change the size of the engine provided it's the same basic type. It's not at all onerous and looked to me like you would be hard put to fall foul of it.

Declaration of exemption from MOT (V112)

 

[Bellow]

It's explained in some detail on the form V112 that I mentioned. It defines what substantial change means and lists a number of exemptions, you can even change the size of the engine provided it's the same basic type. It's not at all onerous and looked to me like you would be hard put to fall foul of it.

Declaration of exemption from MOT (V112)

Thanks - appreciated.
Say, if a modification was there such that it obviated the MOT exemption - is the VED exemption still applicable or does it disappear along with the MOT exemption?

 

[190]

Thanks - appreciated.
Say, if a modification was there such that it obviated the MOT exemption - is the VED exemption still applicable or does it disappear along with the MOT exemption?

For VED historic status, there does not seem to be any eligibility criteria other than age of manufacture or registration and as the VED and MOT exemptions are not linked, I presume you would still get the VED exemption even if the MOT criteria wasn't met.

I suppose it's more correct to say that historic vehicles are not VED exempt, it's just you don't have to pay. The renewal process is still the same as normal every year with the only difference being there is no charge. If the MOT exemption hasn't been successful then the system would check for a valid MOT and fail to renew the VED otherwise.

 

[BTB 500]

I suppose it's more correct to say that historic vehicles are not VED exempt, it's just you don't have to pay. The renewal process is still the same as normal every year with the only difference being there is no charge.

Yep - I get a standard vehicle tax reminder every year for my tractor, stating:

It is your responsibility to renew your vehicle tax, even if the rate of vehicle tax is £0. By law all vehicles used or kept on a public road must be taxed.

The 12 month rate is given as "NIL". You don't get an option to pay for 6 months

 

[Pontoneer]

Thanks - appreciated.
Say, if a modification was there such that it obviated the MOT exemption - is the VED exemption still applicable or does it disappear along with the MOT exemption?

Don't know , but there are similar exclusions about vehicles not being significantly modified to access the four Scottish LEZs .

 

[Connoisseur]

Getting back on topic () another couple of benefits gained from owning/driving an ev, as if more were needed, is that you don’t need an MOT ever, and all ev cars are automatically classed as historic and gain from historic car VED exemptions from Day One.

 

[Will]

Getting back on topic () another couple of benefits gained from owning/driving an ev, as if more were needed, is that you don’t need an MOT ever, and all ev cars are automatically classed as historic and gain from historic car VED exemptions from Day One.

?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Getting back on topic () another couple of benefits gained from owning/driving an ev, as if more were needed, is that you don’t need an MOT ever, and all ev cars are automatically classed as historic and gain from historic car VED exemptions from Day One.

Pardon? The Tesla S 100D’s that I test drove recently all had MoT histories.

Fundamentally, the MoT isn’t about drivetrain, it’s about safety of all that universal stuff from steering to brakes, from the horn to the lights.

(And, over a three month period, not one of them sold)

 

[Connoisseur]

Pardon? The Tesla S 100D’s that I test drove recently all had MoT histories.

Fundamentally, the MoT isn’t about drivetrain, it’s about safety of all that universal stuff from steering to brakes, from the horn to the lights.

(And, over a three month period, not one of them sold)

Really? Apols thought I was in a fantasy ev thread which had mutated into a meeting of the Historic Vehicles Association; was just adding a bit more fantasy to show willing

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Really? Apols thought I was in a fantasy ev thread which had mutated into a meeting of the Historic Vehicles Association; was just adding a bit more fantasy to show willing

You mean this isn’t?

 

[FiveAlive]

The EV Fact Thread: 342 pages totally devoid of facts about EVs.