The EV fact thread

[markjay]

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IIRC for Li battery packs there are various capacity limits for different forms of shipping?

No idea. I know we get large shipments of Laptops flown by UPS from the Lenovo factory in China, but I don't know what's the maximum permissable capacity of a single battery.

EDIT: Just Googled it, and you can ship EVs by airfreight (albeit while adhering to certain safety regulations):

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So it seems that there's no limit on battery capacity as such?

 

[BTB 500]

No idea. I know we get large shipments of Laptops flown by UPS from the Lenovo factory in China, but I don't know what's the maximum permissable capacity of a single battery.

Some years back UPS lost a Boeing 747 freighter after a pallet of Li Ion batteries ignited in the cargo hold.

 

[SpikyMikey]

It's complicated, but the IATA flowchart here gives detail for airfreight.
https://www.iata.org/contentassets/...b9/lithium-battery-guidance-document-2020.pdf

 

[ALFAitalia]

I think that my near neighbour wants to be an EV ambassador! He always has four or five interesting cars....now he's down to three....all EV.
One is an early Tesla S....the distance machine as he has caravan in Croyde, Devon....I delivered a new twin axle one there yesterday (near 9 hour round trip!).
Second is a few month old VW ID5..... the family/dog carrier/load bugger.
The most recent is his town car and local runaround....a FIAT 500 EV......easy to park and cheap to run.....bought really cheap too apparently. He just laughs when people say about the alleged EV ownership issues..... never has an issue himself....and unless things change he really can't ever see himself going back to an ICE car....

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

He just laughs when people say about the alleged EV ownership issues..... never has an issue himself....and unless things change he really can't ever see himself going back to an ICE car....

I know a lot of people with EVs and the only negative I hear is from a few iPace drivers who have experienced several cabin heater failures. Otherwise neutral or positive, and that’s people who use them as their main car, and often for business use.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

now he's down to three....all EV.

Almost all people I work with drive an EV, and in many cases so do their partners - an exclusive EV driveway is perhaps still unusual across the country as a whole but when you consider only professional couples, business owners and those who’ve been driving EVs for some time, it’s not that unusual at all.

 

[BTB 500]

In The Telegraph today:

Electric cars break down more often than petrol and diesel vehicles, the Automobile Association (AA) has warned.

Jakob Pfaudler, boss of the breakdown service, said electric vehicles (EVs) were prone not only to punctures and flat batteries, but also to a host of specific problems such as jammed charging cables and technical glitches.

He said: “There’s a common misconception that electric vehicles break down less frequently than petrol and diesel vehicles.

“Currently, at least, that is not the case. The breakdown rate is, in fact, slightly higher for electric vehicles than for internal combustion-engine vehicles.”

Of course ICEs will currently be - on average - significantly older than EVs. On the plus side the roadside fix rate is slightly higher for EVs:

However, Mr King added that around 90pc of breakdowns involving EVs could be dealt with at the roadside versus 86pc for regular cars, with technicians able to fix problems such as computer glitches through a simple reboot.

I was surprised to see that despite a large drop in the number of callouts for running out of charge this is still twice as common as ICEs running out of fuel:

call-outs for vehicles running out of charge have fallen from 7pc of AA’s total to around 2pc. That is largely thanks to the increased roll-out of chargers across the UK, although the percentage is still twice the amount for conventional cars running out of petrol or diesel.

Link:

MSN

 

[Petrol Pete]

Oh dear , they can't even give these away , maybe they shouldn't have tried to compete with Musk. Ultimate 'fly tip' .

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[markjay]

Oh dear , they can't even give these away , maybe they shouldn't have tried to compete with Musk. Ultimate 'fly tip' .

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The Council will impound them, then auction them off. There are around 250 Fisker cars registered in the UK - my guess is that someone will buy the abandoned cars for next-to-nothing for spare parts. Or even take them back for the US to be used for spare parts over there. But I have to say that at current this does look like the DeLorean affair all over again.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

The Council will impound them, then auction them off. There are around 250 Fisker cars registered in the UK - my guess is that someone will buy the abandoned cars for next-to-nothing for spare parts. Or even take them back for the US to be used for spare parts over there. But I have to say that at current this does look like the DeLorean affair all over again.

Such a shame, I liked the look of them and they were good value even when new. Barely used example are advertised at less than £20k.

 

[BTB 500]

There are around 250 Fisker cars registered in the UK

Good luck with the 10 year battery & motor warranty on those ...

 

[markjay]

Good luck with the 10 year battery & motor warranty on those ...

That's my point. It's worth buying these cars just for the value of the batteries. It's only a question of time before current Fisker owners will require a replacement battery, e.g. due to a cell failure or due to physical damage etc. And, obviously, there's also all those other spare parts.

 

[markjay]

Incidentally, many years ago I knew someone who used to this for a living, i.e. buy job lots. He once bought a warehouse full of Vauxhall Cresta spare parts for next to nothing. He worked out that the first few sales will cover his entire buying cost... He was selling to trade.

 

[BTB 500]

That's my point. It's worth buying these cars just for the value of the batteries. It's only a question of time before current Fisker owners will require a replacement battery, e.g. due to a cell failure or due to physical damage etc. And, obviously, all those other spare parts.

Safely removing/handling/storing the batteries would be non-trivial though. I reckon they'd be around 3/4 tonne apiece (113 kWh), and you really wouldn't want to drop one

 

[BTB 500]

I reckon they'd be around 3/4 tonne apiece (113 kWh)

OK from a quick Google the 75 kWh Tesla Model Y battery is 771 kg, so if you pro rate that the Fisker pack might weigh getting on for 1.2 tonnes!!

 

[markjay]

Safely removing/handling/storing the batteries would be non-trivial though. I reckon they'd be around 3/4 tonne apiece (113 kWh), and you really wouldn't want to drop one

Best keep both your feet clear from under the lift when dealing with one of these

 

[philnewmerc]

A lot of talk recently on this immortal thread about 'such and such has another EV on their drive'. I keep wondering what about everyone without a drive, which i understand is something like nearly half the population... At what point will they be so peeved with being forced to have all the disadvantages of EV life* without the advantages of cheap energy? Sounds like a potential Reform time bomb?

*I am not anti ev, they now overtake me every morning on my commute though not on long drives... Still tailgating lorrys them

 

[philnewmerc]

A lot of talk recently on this immortal thread about 'such and such has another EV on their drive'. I keep wondering what about everyone without a drive, which i understand is something like nearly half the population... At what point will they be so peeved with being forced to have all the disadvantages of EV life* without the advantages of cheap energy? Sounds like a potential Reform time bomb?

*I am not anti ev, they now overtake me every morning on my commute though not on long drives... Still tailgating lorrys them

Bit of googling later I see there is something called a LEVI subsidy for local councils to install on street chargers and in my area this works will begin in 25/26.... So call it 28/29

Finally, i can then have my sufficiently deprecated Porsche. Although, I wonder what the overnight cost per kwh will be? I assume low but is that wishful thinking? Anyone know??

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Finally, i can then have my sufficiently deprecated Porsche. Although, I wonder what the overnight cost per kwh will be? I assume low but is that wishful thinking? Anyone know??

I wish I did know what your local authority’s pricing strategy would be for on street charging in 3-4 years time, as I would use that unique ability to accurately foresee the future to benefit mankind and our planet, but I don’t

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Bit of googling later I see there is something called a LEVI subsidy for local councils to install on street chargers and in my area this works will begin in 25/26.... So call it 28/29

Finally, i can then have my sufficiently deprecated Porsche. Although, I wonder what the overnight cost per kwh will be? I assume low but is that wishful thinking? Anyone know??

Slower charging generally costs less than faster charging. Local authority charging generally costs less than commercial charging. Charging on major routes generally costs more than charging in side roads.

So it’s likely to be less expensive than the huge number of non-Tesla charging points you can see laid empty up and down our motorway network.