TMC Update

[prprandall51]

I was surprised to see that the M-class and Viano systems use TeleAtlas, but other models use NavTech. Confusion might reign supreme, but I suppose they do not perhaps want to put all their eggs in one basket?

Thanks again,
John

The choice of map data is often down to the systems supplier (Blaupunkt, Becker, etc).
Bosch (Blaupunkt is a brand name of Bosch) owns a large share of TeleAtlas, so there is a good reason for Blaupunkt systems to use TeleAtlas data (though Navteq has produced nav disks for a number of Blaupunkt systems).
Becker uses map data from Navteq and recently signed an agreement with TeleAtlas for their map data, too.
Philip

 

[Mr E]

Just had an email through from the lease company about TMC in the car.....

MB are offering a £500 payment in lieu of the upgrade disc - the TMC-enabled disc will not be avalable for over 6 months and the logistics are easier for them to pay up £500 now than bear the cost of mailing £350 (so I've heard) discs at the end of the year.

I'm due to talk with the man from DaimlerChrysler tomorrow (he's on holiday today) but I must say that I've been very impressed with the tenacity of the lease company and the supplying dealer (especially when ther's not that much in it for them to supply a 3rd party leased vehicle).

Also, slightly OT, but the dealer in Brighton has been great. I'd had a bad time 5 years ago and went elsewhere, but the lease co book all the servicing for us and it went in a couple of weeks ago. Nice and painless - and they replaced the door sill plate kicked off by my daughter under warrenty while I waited. They also gave my son a nice wadge of the hard-back brochure "books" as well.............

 

[Rory]

Just had an email through from the lease company about TMC in the car.....

MB are offering a £500 payment in lieu of the upgrade disc - the TMC-enabled disc will not be avalable for over 6 months and the logistics are easier for them to pay up £500 now than bear the cost of mailing £350 (so I've heard) discs at the end of the year.

I presume the payment will go to the leasing company (as they own the car)?

 

[saorbust]

Just had an email through from the lease company about TMC in the car.....

MB are offering a £500 payment in lieu of the upgrade disc - the TMC-enabled disc will not be avalable for over 6 months and the logistics are easier for them to pay up £500 now than bear the cost of mailing £350 (so I've heard) discs at the end of the year.

I'm due to talk with the man from DaimlerChrysler tomorrow (he's on holiday today) but I must say that I've been very impressed with the tenacity of the lease company and the supplying dealer (especially when ther's not that much in it for them to supply a 3rd party leased vehicle).

Also, slightly OT, but the dealer in Brighton has been great. I'd had a bad time 5 years ago and went elsewhere, but the lease co book all the servicing for us and it went in a couple of weeks ago. Nice and painless - and they replaced the door sill plate kicked off by my daughter under warrenty while I waited. They also gave my son a nice wadge of the hard-back brochure "books" as well.............

So is this offer going to all owners of DVD based command systems who have been sold a 'compromised' product ?

 

[calum]

yeah, right

I note that the CLS lilterature spells out very clearly that DRG is not yet available in the UK

 

[Mr E]

I doubt that the payment will go to everyone by default. Looking through some of the later documentation (i.e. after Feb, when I ordered the car) the availability was put into much greater question..........

The payment will be coming to me

The lease company's view is that I specified the vehicle, and am paying for the spec delivered. They won't want to recalculate the payments, and I'm the one who is inconvenienced.

The moral - as with most of these things - is to push the dealer and MB hard if you feel that strongly about it.

 

[bobbyc]

Inaccurate sat nav

Just thought I would give you my experience of the DVD based Sat nav fitted to my 2004 C220CDI Estate. I bought the car a year ago with 7000 miles on the clock, and was initially impressed with the speed of the DVD system after my previous CD system (C270CDI). I quickly discovered though that the system was inaccurate, in that if you put the screen display to greatest resolution, the arrow on the display "lagged" the actual position of the car when passing road junctions etc. I thought this was probably a calibration problem, and complained to MB. They told me it was a known fault and they were working on a fix.
Now a year on, I have just had a B service (50,000 miles) and told them I was fed up waiting for a solution, and planned claiming against MB for the faulty system. They decided to give me a new disc which is a Navteq version 2.2, Sach No 1695.010. A1698271659/05. It has no documentation.
The accuracy of the system is no better, and I suspect from reading this forum, that they have palmed me off with an old update, and not the latest version.
My old disc, (which they have taken) had no TMC in UK but worked brilliantly on my recent drive to Austria and back. It saved me huge amounts of time with a diversion around Munich, and appears to show yellow cars for slow moving traffic, and red cars for stationary. What a shame MB never give you adequate documentation on these graphics, and you have to guess how it is designed to work.
I am considering my next move.

 

[Rory]

They decided to give me a new disc which is a Navteq version 2.2, Sach No 1695.010. A1698271659/05. It has no documentation.

Exactly the same thing just happened to me - I have an Oct 04 C270 which had V2.0 disk, and mis-announced roundabouts etc. I took it for a service a month ago and the dealer said it's a known fault and they would change the DVD. Great I thought, I might get V5 with TMC (OK, I was dreaming, but I thought I'd at least get 4.1). Imagine my dismay to find the disk was V2.2!
The dealer rang me a couple of days later to ask if the service was OK and I queried the disk version. The girl I spoke to knew V5 had been recalled (I was gobsmacked that she knew) and she said she assumed I'd be given the latest version when it was available!! Yeah, right. I'll try anyway - I like a good argument.
They also reflashed the AGW (audio gateway) but nobody I spoke to knew why. However I have noticed that I can cancel traffic announcements by tapping the TA button now, without it turning TA off completely. Previously 75% of the time it turned TA off, now it just cancels the announcment.

 

[glojo]

The girl I spoke to knew V5 had been recalled (I was gobsmacked that she knew) and she said she assumed I'd be given the latest version when it was available!! Yeah, right. I'll try anyway - I like a good argument. .

Hi Rory,
I am asking a question here and NOT disagreeing with you. Does the C-class DVD have the same version number as its bigger brother the E-class?

I have no knowledge of when the C-class changed over and no knowledge of current versions. Hopefully you will widen my knowledge base.

Regards,
John

 

[Trevor_Tyrrell]

This is answered a number of times in other threads. There are 2 versions, on for A, B, C, ML and one for the E and above. One ends xxx89 and the other xxx90. Try a search for TMC or Navigation.

regards

TT

 

[glojo]

This is answered a number of times in other threads. There are 2 versions, on for A, B, C, ML and one for the E and above. One ends xxx89 and the other xxx90. Try a search for TMC or Navigation.

regards

TT

Does that mean you know the answer?

I can understand what your saying and I'm sure your right. I tend to try my hardest to answer folks queries rather than say search.

Still each to their own and off to search. Thanks for the xxx numbers.

John

 

[Rory]

Hi Rory,
I am asking a question here and NOT disagreeing with you. Does the C-class DVD have the same version number as its bigger brother the E-class?

I have no knowledge of when the C-class changed over and no knowledge of current versions. Hopefully you will widen my knowledge base.

Regards,
John

I have seen comments that V5 is the same for both - but whether that means the DVD will work in either system, or the content is the same (I think the C and E versions previously listed different hotels/restaurants etc), I'm not sure.

 

[glojo]

I have seen comments that V5 is the same for both - but whether that means the DVD will work in either system, or the content is the same (I think the C and E versions previously listed different hotels/restaurants etc), I'm not sure.

Unfortunately, or crazily?? I believe they are wrote by diffrent data suppliers. The E-class DVD system is older than that used in both the M and C-class, which is why I queried the versions number.


John

 

[tvcam]

If this V5 version you are talking about opens up the Dynamic Route Guidance option in the UK for the new C Class and M Class, then I still believe there will be a UK TMC and Non TMC DVD versions and with a big price difference.

 

[saorbust]

If this V5 version you are talking about opens up the Dynamic Route Guidance option in the UK for the new C Class and M Class, then I still believe there will be a UK TMC and Non TMC DVD versions and with a big price difference.

Don't agree. The costs are marginal. The new DVD costs 250 approx - considering you get the whole of Europe for this, its not bad value for money. Teleatlas charge £150 or so for the UK alone.

 

[glojo]

Don't agree. The costs are marginal. The new DVD costs 250 approx - considering you get the whole of Europe for this, its not bad value for money. Teleatlas charge £150 or so for the UK alone.

I'm with you and is there actually a Version 5 that is on sale WITHOUT TMC?

And no, I haven't done a search to find out the answer

John

 

[calum]

V5 appearing reguarly on eBay now for about 120.

 

[tvcam]

Member Quote:Don't agree. The costs are marginal. The new DVD costs 250 approx - considering you get the whole of Europe for this, its not bad value for money. Teleatlas charge £150 or so for the UK alone

So that is confirmed then, £250 for the DVD disc for the new C and M..?

I think the disc will be more like £340 for the Europe TMC without UK TMC, and £395 for the full blown TMC version including the UK

The reason I think this, is because in mainland europe access to the TMC coding is free. But in the UK, ITIS own the coding and relaese in under licence, so the UK users will have to pay where mainland Europe gets it for free...

.... and that's why TeleAtlas have to charge an extra £60 for the UK TMC version of their CD

Just looked on Ebay and the V5 disc selling is NOT for the new C and M class

 

[glojo]

I still think there will be a non TMC version and a TMC version for the UK..

The reason I think this, is because in mainland europe access to the TMC coding is free. But in the UK, ITIS own the coding and relaese in under licence, so the UK users will have to pay where mainland Europe gets it for free...

.... and that's why TeleAtlas have to charge an extra £60 for the UK TMC version of their CD

Just looked on Ebay and the V5 disc selling is NOT for the new C and M class

Hi tvcam,
Have you any factual information for what your saying. I have a DVD Pioneer Navigation system in our 'stretched limo' and had to update the DVD to get it to receive TMC. I was lucky and purchased this DVD second-hand from Germany via Ebay. There certainly was no difference in what it could receive and there is no premium because I live in the UK.

I understand what your saying about the different coding being released under licence but that is not our problem. European E-class owners will be able to use TMC in this country with their version 5 DVD, and likewise if you only have version 3, it will receive TMC in European countries where we know it is free.

I have no knowledge of the C or M class, I have merely been told to do a search, but it is Mercedes-Benz that have to buy the licence from ITIS, not a particular model or piece of equipment. I have highlighted your 'think' remark only to remind me to ask is this your personal opinion, or have you some inside knowledge that states there will be two versions? (There is not two for the E-class range, unless you know otherwise? )

Version 5 (again for the E-class) is on general release throughout Europe and we can purchase this DVD from any European country with the full knowledge that it will work in all European countries htat transmit the relevant information.

John

 

[tvcam]

Its a know fact ITIS are the licence holders for UK TMC..

It does not matter where you live.. It depends if you want to use a disc with TMC coding for the UK.

UK TMC coding can only be accessed from a disc if the various Car Manufacturers are licensed by ITIS to access the UK coding, and if the coding is written to the disc.

Licensing is not required to access and use mainland Europe TMC, because its free to all. Where you live is of no concern.

So it follows, where TeleAtlas make their own brand of disc for Mercedes Benz CD Comands, they have to charge us an extra £60 for the UK TMC coding.

MB will have to do the same or not offer a non UK TMC version. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE

I dont know about after market Pioneer systems.. Maybe Pioneer have a license for UK TMC and the cost is built into the disc cost, so you dont see the TMC value.

I have just checked the ITIS web site and Pioneer are an authorised user of UK TMC