trucks overtaking!!

[Gollom]

so a truck pays £1200 per year to use our highways and we then complain because they just might inconvienance us for an extra two or three minutes of our journey Makessense to me

My goodness - GloJo is mellowing

The comment about vans reminds me of something I heard

"You could put a V8 with supercharger in a fibreglass bodied car, have a clear motorway in front of you and a 2 mile run-up - there would STILL be an Astra van in your rearview mirror!"

 

[CE230]

What I find even more annoying is the old gentleman in his Jag overtaking the two trucks at 65mph as that is where his cruise control is set.

 

[219]

What I find even more annoying is the old gentleman in his Jag overtaking the two trucks at 65mph as that is where his cruise control is set.

Sure it isn't a Rover ? Also popular with some of the olds , the cloth cap and pipe gives the game away .

 

[st13phil]

...the cloth cap

Years ago, a motorcyclist friend advised me: "Always take special care when anywhere near a car in which the driver is wearing headgear". I've found that to be especially useful advice over the years, covering as it does, "yoofs" wearing baseball caps back to front; flat caps; trilby hats; Salvation Army hats; etc.

 

[wemorgan]

Years ago, a motorcyclist friend advised me: "Always take special care when anywhere near a car in which the driver is wearing headgear". I've found that to be especially useful advice over the years, covering as it does, "yoofs" wearing baseball caps back to front; flat caps; trilby hats; Salvation Army hats; etc.

.....and police hats

 

[Deleted member 6183]

Years ago, a motorcyclist friend advised me: "Always take special care when anywhere near a car in which the driver is wearing headgear". I've found that to be especially useful advice over the years, covering as it does, "yoofs" wearing baseball caps back to front; flat caps; trilby hats; Salvation Army hats; etc.

Kaiser spike helmets,etc

 

[Number_Cruncher]

>>Mine are 44tonne, 6 axles all on air.
>>£1200 per year.

That's seriously cheap. What was a full weight truck in the early 1980s, 32 tonnes, was taxed at £2450 per year. When did road tax for trucks go down in such a big way?

There's absolutely NO excuse for rolling roadblock overtakes which take miles, it's pure and simple bad driving. The truck being overtaken just needs to relax the throttle for a second or two, and the other truck will be past, and the slower truck may lose a mph or two, but, that soon comes back, losing at most a few seconds. I have no truck with time pressure arguments.

If they can't drive in a considerate manner, they should be banned from overtaking.

 

[GRAV888]

That's seriously cheap. What was a full weight truck in the early 1980s, 32 tonnes, was taxed at £2450 per year. When did road tax for trucks go down in such a big way?

That's because all axles are on air (road friendly).
Price goes up for fewer axles too.

 

[Number_Cruncher]

That's because all axles are on air (road friendly).
Price goes up for fewer axles too.

It's still v cheap.

The 1980s price I quoted was when car road tax was a bit near £100 per year, so, it was costing us 24 times that to use a 32 tonne truck, admittedly on 4 steel sprung axles (air was nowhere as common then, there was no real incentive).

Wheras today, you can move 44 tonnes for something like 7 times the cost of taxing a car - the multiple is even lower if the car is in a higher VED band.

Having said that, I also think that the real road damaging villain is the super single tyre. Although the average pressure might be comparable to a twinned axle, I am sure the stress concentration caused by the 2 sidewalls as opposed to 4 makes a big difference.

 

[Dryce]

so a truck pays £1200 per year to use our highways and we then complain

Question is how much does that represent in cost/mile. Trucks are working beasts that run all day clocking up the miles.

Then there's the little issue of tax. I'm guessing that close to 100% of truck licences are a business expense. So I guess not taxed. Whereas the normal wage slave pays their VED out of taxed income.

 

[Number_Cruncher]

Assuming that a truck does about 400 km per day (obviously it depends on the work the truck is doing, etc etc.), thats 2000 per week, 100,000 per year; about 60,000 miles. 2p per mile.

A car might average about 10,000 miles per year with a tax disc costing about £200. 2p per mile.

The tax on the truck is ridiculously cheap.

 

[wemorgan]

Assuming that a truck does about 400 km per day (obviously it depends on the work the truck is doing, etc etc.), thats 2000 per week, 100,000 per year; about 60,000 miles. 2p per mile.

A car might average about 10,000 miles per year with a tax disc costing about £200. 2p per mile.

The tax on the truck is ridiculously cheap.

Yes I agree, especially when you also consider the disproportionate damage they do to the roads.

 

[lynall]

I agree time pressure is a factor, but if you are out of hours and don't get back to the depot normal practice is for a colleague to come out to you in a car and swap so he takes the wagon back to the depot, this is not an excuse for clogging up our road system bydoing 0.5 mph faster trying to get back in time

Pretty certain driving the company car back still counts as driving hours so illegal.

Could be wrong long time since i took my class 1.

A lot of vans are now limited to 70mph now, read a post a while ago where the company drivers were paying themselves to get their vans delimited.

Most heavies are still steel front axle suspension and the other 5 are on air, only normally air on the front for demounts and even then its rare, i have seen one in the workshop in the last 3 years and that was a foreigner.

Most 8 wheelers tippers etc are still all on steel suspension hence the reason they crash and bash everywhere.



Lynall

 

[flango]

I agree time pressure is a factor, but if you are out of hours and don't get back to the depot normal practice is for a colleague to come out to you in a car and swap so he takes the wagon back to the depot, this is not an excuse for clogging up our road system bydoing 0.5 mph faster trying to get back in time

Pretty certain driving the company car back still counts as driving hours so illegal.

Could be wrong long time since i took my class 1.



Lynall

Not a company car, my own personal car and as I would be travelling home and not travelling to take charge of a vehicle it would be counted against my working hours but not my driving hours.

 

[219]

This will rely on the other driver being insured ( and trusted ) to drive your own car

 

[krimat2005]

Hello all!! I've got something to ask you. I do drive a lot and I don't understand some car drivers doing 40 or less on 60 mph limit?? Or around 50mph on dualcarriegways/motorways?? Can anyone explain that?? Why they do that?? I think this is causing danger on the road, when others will try to overtake, etc. And Police should take an action on those drivers. There are countries in Europe where you can get a ticket for "slow driving"!!

 

[219]

Well it IS a limit and not a target .

Different classes of vehicle ( and drivers ) are more suited to different speeds than others . Just because a driver chooses to drive along at 40 mph in a 60 limit does not mean they are committing any offence - they might just be enjoying the scenery , or trying to drive more economically - as long as they are not going out of their way to prevent others from overtaking then they are not causing any harm .

The only roads in this country with a MINIMUM speed limit are motorways , where the minimum speed limit is 20 mph : that is why certain classes of vehicle , like sub 50cc mopeds , are excluded since they may not be able to maintain this speed at all times .

 

[BTB 500]

The only roads in this country with a MINIMUM speed limit are motorways , where the minimum speed limit is 20 mph

Not true - there is no minimum speed laid down in law. When people are prosecuted for driving too slowly it's normally "without consideration for other road users" e.g.

BBC NEWS | England | Bristol | 10mph motorway driver given ban

A friend of mine got done on the M25, he was nursing a sick car to the next exit to avoid a tow truck callout.

 

[flango]

This will rely on the other driver being insured ( and trusted ) to drive your own car

Its usually one of my 2 brother in laws so no problem there All 3 of us are named drivers on on all our insurance policies.

 

[yachtman]

Well it IS a limit and not a target .

Different classes of vehicle ( and drivers ) are more suited to different speeds than others . Just because a driver chooses to drive along at 40 mph in a 60 limit does not mean they are committing any offence - they might just be enjoying the scenery , or trying to drive more economically - as long as they are not going out of their way to prevent others from overtaking then they are not causing any harm .

The only roads in this country with a MINIMUM speed limit are motorways , where the minimum speed limit is 20 mph : that is why certain classes of vehicle , like sub 50cc mopeds , are excluded since they may not be able to maintain this speed at all times .

I thought the only mimimum speedlimt was at tunnels etc such as Dartford.

cant imagine a prosecution...... perhaps,it is the UK.