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that's 650 miles a month, 20 something miles a day. a full 80L fuel tank every 2 - 3 days is basically the norm yes, you'd eat through 10 - 15% of it just doing a couple rush hour miles and evening Tesco shopping.
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80 litres every 3 days = 800 litres per month = 175 gallons. Over 650 miles, that equates to just under 4 mpg.

well at least your mpg is getting better....
 
The thing with this talk of depreciation is that it’s not an unknown. I’ve bought a new 911 c2s, 300slc and e43 in the last two years. Which one depreciate the least, probably the 911. Also it depends on how long you keep your cars - generally 4-5yrs for me, so depreciation is less per year. I did look at s63 coupe and sl63 when I bought the 911 but I wanted a new car (to my specification) and the s63 / sl63 are some of the highest depreciating cars in their classes.

Also this discussion of MPG? Really you buy an AMG and you have to expect low MPG.
 
Are you a Policeman..?


Mercedes Cracked Wheels.

Anybody who knows me knows I don't tell lies, and I always try to be on time.

What type of custard would you like?

Might be time for an apology - if you have it in you..?

See, more bull.

No I’m not a policeman, why do you keep asking me that? Again, weirdo.

You try to be on time? WTF does that even mean?

You clearly don’t know what “call custard” means.

I’ve nothing to apologise for, to some weird dreamer.
 
its easy to predict depreciation - look at the monthly PCP charges.
 
If you don't like depreciation then the only answer is to not buy a new car. In what world did you expect a huge, expensive, thirsty s63 coupe not to drop like a stone. Its only recently that Ferraris have held their value. They used to drop like a stone too ten or fifteen years ago as did Astons and Lambos. City boys and "modern classic" dealers now see them as future investments particularly in todays low interest rate environment. So they get locked away and hardly used for fear of damaging their value. They become seldom used toys not cars. When I was younger and drove endless 911s the Dino 308 GT4 was total c**p on virtually every dimension. Today its still total c**p, its just that you now have to pay £50k to experience it for yourself. Only 911s have a long history of slower depreciation and that's fallen away fast too as the volume increased.
I hate depreciation. So for my 15kmpa daily drivers I tend to buy good quality cars (mostly German) with below average mileage, up to ten years old and keep them for 3-4 years. My depreciation over that period is probably a couple of thousand max, wear and tear repairs are the same as new, and any mechanical surprises ( and so far I have been lucky) will be hugely less than any depreciation on a newer car. Now I realise that some people are lucky enough to be able to purchase wonderful new or newer machines than I, but depreciation on a grand scale is generally a fact of life with such behaviour.
 
At c£1.30 per lite, £1000 = 770 litres = 170 gallons. Over 500 miles that equates to 3mpg.....

might want to check those figures you are plucking from the air

Those 500 miles were on top of the average obviously. I don't think we stand to gain anything useful from condescending tones.
 
You have to remember and need to accept that everything depreciates in value with the exception of houses in the main. If I go and buy a TV for 5K tomorrow. I would do well to get half that back after 2 years. Things also suffer with wear and tear. Shoes... they will need replaced eventually. It’s all relative. The OP makes some valid points, but I think it’s a tad pointless to have a bitch and moan about your AMG being a hugely depreciating and expensive car to run. Don’t buy one then! Me I don’t look at a car in terms of what I’ll get for it after my ownership, just enjoy what you have. In many ways I look at my car in say 4 years time and think, bloody hell I’ll be sitting on asset worth over 20k and that’s money I could put to all kind of uses. By then the car will have been paid off/paid for itself in that time and I will have no doubt had a great deal of fun and happy motoring. As for MB dealers... I’d rather take my car to an independent garage (outside of warranty work) and that’s why I didn’t opt for an MB service plan on my own car. Are MBs reliable cars? I’m hoping mine will be, but a lot of cars aren’t for whatever reason. There is a lot of mechanicals and tech that can go wrong and do go wrong, the more expensive the car the more expensive to fix. MPG, I don’t understand how an owner of an AMG could be so anal of the figures and the costs, again don’t buy one if that’s what keeps you awak at night. Have MB devalued the AMG brand or just made them more inclusive and cheaper for people to buy? That will have an effect on the resale of a car and the used car market, but again it’s all relative. Me, again, I go for a car because it’s a car I want, and to hell with the rest. If it becomes a money pit or an unreliable mess, more fool me. I’d still be back in for another top end high performance car though because I LIKE THEM. And always will!
 
You have to remember and need to accept that everything depreciates in value with the exception of houses in the main. If I go and buy a TV for 5K tomorrow. I would do well to get half that back after 2 years. Things also suffer with wear and tear. Shoes... they will need replaced eventually. It’s all relative. The OP makes some valid points, but I think it’s a tad pointless to have a bitch and moan about your AMG being a hugely depreciating and expensive car to run. Don’t buy one then! Me I don’t look at a car in terms of what I’ll get for it after my ownership, just enjoy what you have. In many ways I look at my car in say 4 years time and think, bloody hell I’ll be sitting on asset worth over 20k and that’s money I could put to all kind of uses. By then the car will have been paid off/paid for itself in that time and I will have no doubt had a great deal of fun and happy motoring. As for MB dealers... I’d rather take my car to an independent garage (outside of warranty work) and that’s why I didn’t opt for an MB service plan on my own car. Are MBs reliable cars? I’m hoping mine will be, but a lot of cars aren’t for whatever reason. There is a lot of mechanicals and tech that can go wrong and do go wrong, the more expensive the car the more expensive to fix. MPG, I don’t understand how an owner of an AMG could be so anal of the figures and the costs, again don’t buy one if that’s what keeps you awak at night. Have MB devalued the AMG brand or just made them more inclusive and cheaper for people to buy? That will have an effect on the resale of a car and the used car market, but again it’s all relative. Me, again, I go for a car because it’s a car I want, and to hell with the rest. If it becomes a money pit or an unreliable mess, more fool me. I’d still be back in for another top end high performance car though because I LIKE THEM. And always will!

I don't think you're seeing my complains in the right light. I fully expect AMGs to be expensive. I am extremely extremely mindful of all costs yes, but that's the very mechanism that pays for the toys in the first place no? We all have our ways to deal with this, either by not caring from day one, or in my case running projections and forecasts. I know I know boy am I fun at parties.

What I said isn't "your cars depreciate, damn you AMG", what I said is relative to the cost paid, relative to what you are getting for performance and power, I've found the AMG, ratio adjusted, to be the most expensive car to own, by a significant margin, and reached out here to understand why. That's all. In between a lot of less helpful comments, some more sensible members have given me very valuable information, thank you for that!

You have a point, get over it or stop buying AMGs, stop being a first world princess, buy new S63 AMGs and complaining they cost money. I hear you, but again the price gap between this and other fun toys was very surprising. If you got a flat half the size and twice the bills, you'd be surprised too, put it that way.

Thanks for taking the time to reply, I think your way is the right way, toys are for fun and losing money on them shouldn't come as a surprise.
 
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Wouldn't have a clue what call custard means, never heard of it before, the only thing weird about me is I tell the truth, and that is very weird in today's world - isn't.

In the mean time how about you explain why there is more Bull... logically, instead of emotionally. I'll bet you can't. Just like you don't think you should apologize. The only way you will know how to respond to this is to call more BS custard, isn't. Mmmmm?

See this is how weird I am - very weird. More weird than you have ever seen in your life sweetie.
 

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Chaps why are we even discussing ‘fuel economy’ and ‘amg’ :dk:
If you want fuel economy get a bluetec hybrid lol
 
I don't think you're seeing my complains in the right light. I fully expect AMGs to be expensive. I am extremely extremely mindful of all costs yes, but that's the very mechanism that pays for the toys in the first place no? We all have our ways to deal with this, either by not caring from day one, or in my case running projections and forecasts. I know I know boy am I fun at parties.

What I said isn't "your cars depreciate, damn you AMG", what I said is relative to the cost paid, relative to what you are getting for performance and power, I've found the AMG, ratio adjusted, to be the most expensive car to own, by a significant margin, and reached out here to understand why. That's all. In between a lot of less helpful comments, some more sensible members have given me very valuable information, thank you for that!

You have a point, get over it or stop buying AMGs, stop being a first world princess, buy new S63 AMGs and complaining they cost money. I hear you, but again the price gap between this and other fun toys was very surprising. If you got a flat half the size and twice the bills, you'd be surprised too, put it that way.

Thanks for taking the time to reply, I think your way is the right way, toys are for fun and losing money on them shouldn't come as a surprise.

Sorry, I hope I didn’t come across as a ***** or offensive and you do make some valid points and this has been a kind of interesting debate, but I just feel and this is me personally, that if we were to look at the true cost of owning a car and worried about it, we’d never bloody own one because it’s madness really.

I feel cars depreciate in common with other high end goods, especially in the technology sector, like my TV reference. What cars do, however, is provide us with a mode of transport and if you happen to own an AMG regardless of year or version, a mode of transport that obviously appeals to you.

I bought my E63 because it was time to get rid of the CLS55 after 4 years and it’s a 14 plate which cost about 80k new after options etc. I paid just under half from MB, 2 year warranty etc. 21k miles, tires brand new, brakes serviced recently etc. 1 previous owner. Not a bargain, but the right deal for me. I would have never bought it new at that cost because of the depreciation so your point about the huge depreciation is valid. Let some other person take that hit. I put a fair bit of capital in it and the rest financed. I’ll get the capital I put into it back and then sum after say 4 years of ownership. I can afford the finance, the maintaemce, and the fuel, mind I probably do 5-6k miles a year max in my own car and I do have access to other cars. So all-round it’s a winner for me.

If it starts breaking down and becomes a money pit I’ll get rid and cut my loses, but it wouldn’t deter me from buying another AMG or another high ticket kind of motoring item.

I do have what I believe is a good philosophy on life mind and that’s because I came from nothing and we were tramps when we were kids where anything other than mash or chips was a luxury so my motto is you only live once, enjoy it and don’t worry too much about money, let others do that.

And I’m a businessman who counts the pennies when it comes to how we run things. But my cars are my release, my joy, my passion, in a motoring sense that is. I mean I would never think of buying a 2018 brand new Golf GTI for say 30k or whatever they cost, I’d be thinking I Could get a great C63 for that! That said, I did buy the wife a new X-Trail 2 years back at 32k retail price and I thought bloody hell, we could get a great ML63 for that, but we liked the Nissan, got a great deal on it due to family and friends voucher and it will be a car we may well keep for 6 or 7 years and she loves it, 7 seats, amazing on fuel, lots of tech and a great all-round family car.

Even if I was a millionaire I wouldn’t buy a car new, but if I was, I would probably blow most of it on cars :D Anyway happy motoring!
 
According to members of the opposite sex, I drive like a fu**ing idiot, and every traffic light is a drag race.
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The members of the opposite sex may be right.

12.7 mpg? Ye gods! I have a reasonably heavy right foot, and my 5.5 Biturbo estate is averaging just under 20 mpg, though there's not much urban crawling in traffic involved. I expect I'll beat 25 mpg on a run, but I won't be cruising at "Sorry, officer; was I flying too low?" speeds (except possibly on the M6 Toll...).

If you get 12.7 mpg, either you are spending lots of time creeping along in heavy traffic, or you deserve either total respect, or immediate sectioning, or perhaps both...:D. I genuinely have no idea how you can manage that and still have your licence.
 
A few thoughts

- the A, C, E and S class AMG are no more than mass produced base models with expensive hand assembled engines. Hence there is limited exclusivity to them, when compared to, say Ferrari, whose stated aim is to build one less than total expected customer demand.

- they are mass produced, not made to order; witness the number sitting new, unsold, in dealers showrooms.

- VAT will always cost you 20% straight off.
The vast majority of volume cars lose 40-60% in the first 3 years. Granted that is a lot more £ on a £100k car than a £30k car. Therefore it is misleading to compare 3 year residuals on used cars v new cars.

- An F12 might be on a forecourt at say £220k but I’ll wager the dealer didn’t pay much more than c £150k to the owner.

- reliability is a concern for many potential owners if they are buying outside MB’s 3 year initial warranty; therefore potential second / third owners will want to pay a lot less to cover that risk.
 
See this is how weird I am - very weird. More weird than you have ever seen in your life sweetie.

Be careful what you say; I don't see anyone arguing with you on this point yet...
 
The members of the opposite sex may be right.

12.7 mpg? Ye gods! I have a reasonably heavy right foot, and my 5.5 Biturbo estate is averaging just under 20 mpg, though there's not much urban crawling in traffic involved. I expect I'll beat 25 mpg on a run, but I won't be cruising at "Sorry, officer; was I flying too low?" speeds (except possibly on the M6 Toll...).

If you get 12.7 mpg, either you are spending lots of time creeping along in heavy traffic, or you deserve either total respect, or immediate sectioning, or perhaps both...:D. I genuinely have no idea how you can manage that and still have your licence.

The average MPH is less than 20, which might suggest a lot of idle time / first gear movement.
 
Reading certain posts in here is like being on an LSD trip.
And I don't mean limited slip differentials.
 
The average MPH is less than 20, which might suggest a lot of idle time / first gear movement.

Not in my case. Mind you, I haven't yet compared the fuel consumption displayed with actual usage; much to my surprise my 2003 E500 gives a fuel consumption figure which is about 10% pessimistic, rather than the about 10% optimistic figures I've grown used to with the W211.

Fortunately, fuel consumption (unless it was something ludicrous - like, say, 12.7 mpg) is not an issue for me. All my AMGs have been/are worth every penny.
 
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