Anyone seen any good number plates on cars lately?

[marty359]

I was behind him in a que in a petrol station shop, he seemed a jolly chap.

 

[eGuru]

Anywhere near Pulborough?

This was in Northampton this morning.

 

[jdrrco]

I disapprove of illegal number plates. Again, just my opinion, of course. (And the law's.)

D'uh!

Either you're deliberately misunderstanding in order to prolong a particularly puerile argument or you're just a little dim: show plates on cars are not illegal on private property, nor do they affect the car's road-worthiness.

Just for the record, (not that it's any of your business) when the SL is driven on a public road, it has a black on white plate at the front and a black on yellow plate on the back, complete with BS number and suppliers name and postcode. However, for the purposes of that (obviously staged) photograph and for shows, I put the black and silver plates on because they suit it better. Parked in my driveway as in the photograph, or in a field at a show, they neither make the car less roadworthy, nor do they breach any law in any way whatsoever.

However to return to your original gripe, to which I merely responded, how come you haven't commented on your little pal's post, which not only displays a "non-MB car" but doesn't even have an interesting number plate?

 

[MOCAŠ]

D'uh!

Either you're deliberately misunderstanding in order to prolong a particularly puerile argument or you're just a little dim: show plates on cars are not illegal on private property, nor do they affect the car's road-worthiness.

Just for the record, (not that it's any of your business) when the SL is driven on a public road, it has a black on white plate at the front and a black on yellow plate on the back, complete with BS number and suppliers name and postcode. However, for the purposes of that (obviously staged) photograph and for shows, I put the black and silver plates on because they suit it better. Parked in my driveway as in the photograph or in a field at a show, they neither make the car less roadworthy, nor do they breach any law in any way whatsoever.

However to return to your original gripe, to which I merely responded, how come you haven't commented on your little pal's post, which not only displays a "non-MB car" but doesn't even have an interesting number plate?

My last word on this.

There was no argument to continue, puerile or otherwise; I simply passed comment.

At no point did you say they were show plates, just that the car was parked on a private drive and that they didn't affect how it drives. I'm not concerned with whether you use of standard plates when using your car on the road (although I am naturally pleased to hear that you do); I was merely commenting on what was evident in the photo you posted.

I presume your final comment was in reference to Charles Morgan's photo of his 2002, which - like the comment from J-B-R to which he was responding - was posted in response to my acknowledgement that some members owned BMWs. A form of banter, if you like. Nothing wrong with that (IMHO).

It's good to have you back after your previous decision to stop posting, but please, there must something more worthwhile you could post than what appears an attempt to start be a spiteful vendetta. It's water of a duck's back to me, but must be rather tiresome for other followers of this thread.

 

[jdrrco]

My last word on this.

Delighted to hear it

There was no argument to continue, puerile or otherwise; I simply passed comment.

No, you attacked me and a new member of the forum for posting pictures of our own cars. As a result, you succeeded in turning him away from what used to be, long before you joined it, a very friendly place.

At no point did you say they were show plates

As anyone who knows anything about cars could have told you, plates whose number was first issued after 1972 cannot be bought in black and silver unless they are show plates only.

(Also, as stated before, none of your business!)

I was merely commenting on what was evident in the photo you posted.

It was evident from both the photograph and my subsequent comments that the car was parked on a private driveway and, therefore, the design of the plates was totally and utterly irrelevant.

It's good to have you back after your previous decision to stop posting, but

Don't patronise me

there must something more worthwhile you could post than what appears an attempt to start be a spiteful vendetta.

What I posted was a picture of my cars' number plates. How could that possibly be interpreted as "an attempt to start a spiteful vendetta"?!!

It's water of (sic) a duck's back to me, but must be rather tiresome for other followers of this thread.

I couldn't agree more, so again, delighted to hear that you won't be saying any more about it.

 

[ringway]

In Wilmslow on Saturday afternoon.

I'm pretty sure that the reg B 20 sits on a turquoise Toyota Starlet (or similar) driven by an old lady locally.

Both plates must be quite valuable.

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[MOCAŠ]

In Wilmslow on Saturday afternoon.

I'm pretty sure that the reg B 20 sits on a turquoise Toyota Starlet (or similar) driven by an old lady locally.

Both plates must be quite valuable.

20 B was sold by the DVLA in July 1992 for £5200. Probably worth around £75k now.

B 20 is actually on a Mazda 323 (not too dissimilar from a Toyota Starlet).

 

[mike1875]

a fren of mine has a BMW Z4...wid a license plate number PB10 Z4

 

[ringway]

20 B was sold by the DVLA in July 1992 for £5200. Probably worth around £75k now.

B 20 is actually on a Mazda 323 (not too dissimilar from a Toyota Starlet).

Thanks MOCAS. Mazda 323. That's the car. Old lady, pootles around the lanes of Mobberley/Chelford/Peover.

 

[MOCAŠ]

Thanks MOCAS. Mazda 323. That's the car. Old lady, pootles around the lanes of Mobberley/Chelford/Peover.

By rights, B 20 should be worth at least 50% (and maybe even 100%) more than 20 B, but these days the differential is often rather less, for a number of reasons.

Reverse issues (those with the numbers first) only started to appear in the 1950s, and continued to be issued up until around mid-1964, so when number plate dealing started to take off in the mid-1970s, they were still in quite plentiful supply on their original cars, many of which were by then worth little more than scrap value. The counterpart of one of these numbers but with the letters first - especially with a single letter - would have been issued in the early 1900s, and those that were still around by the 1970s were either still on the original veteran vehicles or had already been acquired as private plates. Hence, the more easily obtainable reverse issue numbers acquired a stigma, which kept their values lower until quite recently. However, there were always exceptions: for instance, 7 UP would always be worth more than UP 7, for obvious reasons.

Things started to change in the early 1990s, in response to the DVLA auctions. For the first time, attractive, unissued numbers were readily available - if you had the, er, readies - and among the prime candidates were those one- and two-letter reverse numbers that hadn't been issued in the 1950s. For instance, between 1992 and 2010, all the numbers in the range 1 B to 98 B were sold for prices ranging from £3,100 to £20,000, except for 5 B - which was sold in 2008 for £101,700. As almost all the available plates featuring one letter and one or two numbers have now been sold, their resale values have soared in recent years, as a healthy demand chases a limited supply. And with the 1950s now seeming rather a long time ago, the reverse-issue stigma has faded to the point that the asking prices for B 20 and 20 B would be very close.

Also, I think my current-value estimate for 20 B was someway wide of the mark. The numbers 91 B to 98 B were all sold in 2009 or 2010, yet none made more than £10,000, which makes the £100k+ paid for 5 B look like a blip driven by competition between two tenacious bidders. 18 B is currently being advertised for about £31k, and 21 B for £21k, so 20 B is probably worth no more than £35k (as round numbers can attract a little more).

 

[ringway]

By rights, B 20 should be worth at least 50% (and maybe even 100%) more than 20 B, but these days the differential is often rather less, for a number of reasons.

Reverse issues (those with the numbers first) only started to appear in the 1950s, and continued to be issued up until around mid-1964, so when number plate dealing started to take off in the mid-1970s, they were still in quite plentiful supply on their original cars, many of which were by then worth little more than scrap value. The counterpart of one of these numbers but with the letters first - especially with a single letter - would have been issued in the early 1900s, and those that were still around by the 1970s were either still on the original veteran vehicles or had already been acquired as private plates. Hence, the more easily obtainable reverse issue numbers acquired a stigma, which kept their values lower until quite recently. However, there were always exceptions: for instance, 7 UP would always be worth more than UP 7, for obvious reasons.

Things started to change in the early 1990s, in response to the DVLA auctions. For the first time, attractive, unissued numbers were readily available - if you had the, er, readies - and among the prime candidates were those one- and two-letter reverse numbers that hadn't been issued in the 1950s. For instance, between 1992 and 2010, all the numbers in the range 1 B to 98 B were sold for prices ranging from £3,100 to £20,000, except for 5 B - which was sold in 2008 for £101,700. As almost all the available plates featuring one letter and one or two numbers have now been sold, their resale values have soared in recent years, as a healthy demand chases a limited supply. And with the 1950s now seeming rather a long time ago, the reverse-issue stigma has faded to the point that the asking prices for B 20 and 20 B would be very close.

Also, I think my current-value estimate for 20 B was someway wide of the mark. The numbers 91 B to 98 B were all sold in 2009 or 2010, yet none made more than £10,000, which makes the £100k+ paid for 5 B look like a blip driven by competition between two tenacious bidders. 18 B is currently being advertised for about £31k, and 21 B for £21k, so 20 B is probably worth no more than £35k (as round numbers can attract a little more).

Thanks for the (as always) comprehensive information MOCAS.

What a great forum we have here, with members such as MOCAS who are committed to the cause.

Long may it continue.

 

[JOB-BLACK-RAT]

^^ + 1


Edit: Though Ringway.....half three in the morning??? get thee to bed man!!

 

[Dieselman]

a fren of mine has a BMW Z4...wid a license plate number PB10 Z4

How can it be?

It could be PBI 024 or more likely PB1024, but it can't be PB10Z4.

 

[markjay]

How can it be?

It could be PBI 024 or more likely PB1024, but it can't be PB10Z4.

PB1 OZA?

 

[MOCAŠ]

How can it be?

It could be PBI 024 or more likely PB1024, but it can't be PB10Z4.

Oh yeah, I was going to ask that (but got distracted elsewhere).

Can't be any of the above; only PB 1024 is valid, but it's not on a Z4 (or anything else, as far as I can tell).

I suspect it's either an overseas registration, or PB10 ZA?.

 

[markjay]

Saw today 4 MS and 4 MSG, both on black S-Class, and on the same day

Saw IC 1 (on a black 7-Series) which is odd - 1 CI could have the Ivory Coast (Côte d'Ivoire), but IC 1?

Saw (again) today the silver Ford MPV with M222.

The things you get to see when you decide to walk to the office...

 

[MOCAŠ]

Saw IC 1 (on a black 7-Series) which is odd - 1 CI could have the Ivory Coast (Côte d'Ivoire), but IC 1?

Saw (again) today the silver Ford MPV with M222.

IC 1 is assigned to the Icelandic embassy.

M 222 belongs to a London-based businessman, who also owns ALM 222 (his full initials) and 19 BDM.

 

[Alfie]

160 LF on an S500 today.

Seen in Ascot whilst having lunch today. Anyone care to guess who the owner was that was in the restuarant we were eating in?

 

[gtvlusso]

Eye 4c seen on a Land Rover 90 a few years back.....

 

[MOCAŠ]

Seen today:

Also saw a Porsche 911 with silver-on-black plates, reading F1 NES. I imagine he's had a few...