Budget Day Today

[Rory]

Thats because you are in Berlin (according to your posting details) so you don't have to suffer the moron ..

R

Tell us the road tax rates there - I think they're *much* higher than in the UK?

 

[SimonsMerc]

but , why only target cars with high emissions registered after march 2006?

What about all the older cars , pre cat that are hardly environmental champs , why don't they impose a similarly high road tax to get them to move to more fuel efficient less polluting cars?

The goal is to influence people who are buying cars now - that is, those cars which are not yet in circulation. If you are buying a new car and you decide to buy a less polluting one because that'll be cheaper, it means one less heavily polluting car on the road. Longer term, this should mean that manufacturers will product less polluting cars.

-simon

 

[gary350]

I do about 1300 miles a year in the 350 so I reckon I am a green polluter.

gary

 

[DITTRICH]

Forget about the cars...

Income tax basic rate will fall to 20p from 22p BUT...

1 The 10% rate is going to be abolished!
2 The increase in the 40% threshhold will be accompanied by an increase in NICS up to the threshhold for 40%

If you pay 40% marginal rate,. you'll be £400 ish worse off overall.

Just was the point of the 10% rate if it disappears after 8 years? Result is more money shovelled after bad into tax credits which are an administrative nightmare because the lower paid change jobs much more frequently than the payments can be updated to reflect their household circumstances.

Les

 

[Apial]

98 Elegance Estate C240 V6

Your car is not in a band, its too old. I think your VED has gone up a massive ...






.......£5.

 

[mobeyone]

What has the industry said about these charges/changes?

Would it not be possible that people stop buyine new cars? The last few years has seen people buying cars they really dont need.. so will this spur people onto buy greener cars or older cars? this knocking the new car market and appreciating the value of older?

Another vote for the tall tale that is all things green and how we are killing the planet.

 

[GrahamC230K]

Not only are cars registered before May 2006 not classed as Band G, cars registered prior to 1st March 2001 will remain at the standard rate.

So pleased to know my 2.7 litre v6 30 valve twin turbo Audi Quattro is not a gas guzzling 4x4

 

[Parrot of Doom]

I'm going to buy a Jenson Interceptor with a 7 litre engine, and pay no road tax whatsoever.

 

[stats007]

The manufacturers provide data derived from tests. Basically the more fuel you use the more Co2 you use, it's why diesels score better.

I think you mean the more CO2 you produce.

 

[Dieselman]

I think you mean the more CO2 you produce.

Err, yes.

thanks, I'll edit it now.

 

[nickg]

Its just more "green with envy" politics dressed up as "environmentally green" politics.
As always, I'm with Clarkson and his conviction that it is simply all down to Labour hating the middle class/fairly well off.
Its so easy to come out with a "nice car tax" because they know that their voters are more likely to not have such a nice car, so they can feel all warm inside about the "rich" b*st*rds having to pay through the nose.

Going by the principle that they will end up taxing everything you hold dear anyway, you might as well just enjoy your car, whatever you drive, and however much they try and squeeze out of you in road tax........
It is unlikely to be many people driving £30k plus cars that will be forced to sell up just because VED goes up by £200 a year.
Most of the people moving out of high band cars into lower ones will be company car owners.

 

[kikkthecat]

So this is an environmental tax is it ?

Anyone who is spending £60-70,000 on a car, upwards of £3000 on fuel, a four figure sum to the insurance bandits plus whatever the dealer chooses to charge for servicing is supposed to stop and think "Hang on that £200 is going to break the bank"

As Jim Royle woud say "Environmental tax my ****"

If I sound bitter in any way it's because my new (December 2006) Viano is apparently a gas guzzling 4 x 4 with Co2 coming in at 227 when the limit is 225 so my next tax disc is £300 and the one after that £400
The cabriolet is £180

As with any other budget it's jam tomorrow. All the areas where he's taking money are *now* ( alcohol, tobacco, car tax etc) and all the areas that may benefit us are *later*( tax cuts 2008, tax thresholds 2009, ISA allowance 2008, etc)

 

[Dieselman]

So this is an environmental tax is it ?

Anyone who is spending £60-70,000 on a car, upwards of £3000 on fuel, a four figure sum to the insurance bandits plus whatever the dealer chooses to charge for servicing is supposed to stop and think "Hang on that £200 is going to break the bank"
As Jim Royle woud say "Environmental tax my ****"

If I sound bitter in any way it's because my new (December 2006) Viano is apparently a gas guzzling 4 x 4 with Co2 coming in at 227 when the limit is 225 so my next tax disc is £300 and the one after that £400
The cabriolet is £180

As with any other budget it's jam tomorrow. All the areas where he's taking money are *now* ( alcohol, tobacco, car tax etc) and all the areas that may benefit us are *later*( tax cuts 2008, tax thresholds 2009, ISA allowance 2008, etc)

All true, but you knew that 225g/km was going to be the limit before you bought the car.

Owners of high value cars may not care about a few hundred pounds on RFL but the second hand owners will. This'll knock thousands off residuals. That might get noticed.

 

[recycled]

I'm sure we've had this discussion before:

I'd love to see a system that taxes you on how much you actually drive the car, as long as it caught those mongrel lorry drivers from the continent who arrive with full tanks, drive around and leave without paying anything to be here.

what about the british ones driving around in europe on roads that have no tolls e.g autobahn,autostrada and the aas in rotterdam and brussels?

 

[big x]

Its just more "green with envy" politics dressed up as "environmentally green" politics.
As always, I'm with Clarkson and his conviction that it is simply all down to Labour hating the middle class/fairly well off.
Its so easy to come out with a "nice car tax" because they know that their voters are more likely to not have such a nice car, so they can feel all warm inside about the "rich" b*st*rds having to pay through the nose.

Going by the principle that they will end up taxing everything you hold dear anyway, you might as well just enjoy your car, whatever you drive, and however much they try and squeeze out of you in road tax........
It is unlikely to be many people driving £30k plus cars that will be forced to sell up just because VED goes up by £200 a year.
Most of the people moving out of high band cars into lower ones will be company car owners.

You talk about Labour voters having a warm feeling that "rich *******s having to pay through the nose" when the sum involved is £200 ! As I posted elsewhere we should be more in line with other European countries and have a luxury tax on new cars over a certain value.
In fact the rich pay a smaller percentage of their income in tax than the middle earners here and far less than many other countries.

adam

 

[mark.t]

Not only are cars registered before May 2006 not classed as Band G, cars registered prior to 1st March 2001 will remain at the standard rate.

So pleased to know my 2.7 litre v6 30 valve twin turbo Audi Quattro is not a gas guzzling 4x4

so dose this mean my 1998 3 litre diesel turbo 2 wheel caravan pulling lump remains at the standard rate ......if so it could have a positive impact on it sale value...................good job theres not a RUST tax ??????

 

[pammy]

so dose this mean my 1998 3 litre diesel turbo 2 wheel caravan pulling lump remains at the standard rate ......if so it could have a positive impact on it sale value...................

I was thinking about the affect on resale values as I was driving my gas guzzler in this morning and for once it might actually have a positive effect from the resale point of view, especially if it's still a fairly new car and in good nick etc.

BUt tbh as was pointed out in some of the pre-budget reports - if a bod can afford a new gas guzzler - is the tax hike going to really affect their decision on what to buy?

 

[mark.t]

I was thinking about the affect on resale values as I was driving my gas guzzler in this morning and for once it might actually have a positive effect from the resale point of view, especially if it's still a fairly new car and in good nick etc.

BUt tbh as was pointed out in some of the pre-budget reports - if a bod can afford a new gas guzzler - is the tax hike going to really affect their decision on what to buy?

i agree but there are more and more people who need big engined cars for pulling caravans and boats ,trailers ..... alike so it may hold up the lower end of the market
....

 

[Mr E]

Good one You mean our increased taxes are going to improve the state of our planet?

Without meaning to give offence, that statement kind of begs the question, what planet are you from lol

Without taking offence - can I suggest that you read the OP again. Increased taxation is a crude but (proven) effective way of manipulating otherwise selfish behaviour. If we don't care, or choose not, to change behaviour then crude and punitive measures are introduced to force us to.

Check the history of Drink-Drive behaviour and acceptance as a good example of centralised intervention to change behaviour.

Behaviour may change the state of the planet - taxes will not (directly).

 

[pammy]

i agree but there are more and more people who need big engined cars for pulling caravans and boats ,trailers ..... alike so it may hold up the lower end of the market
....

I don't disagree with that at all and that's always been the case. Cars that make good towing machines, mine wouldn't , have always had that customer base and demand. But this tax may well protect it a bit more.

The people the tax is aimed at are those buying new cars