C36 On E-Bay - My old car has lost 60,000 Miles

[Spinal]

I have no idea and I dread to think, but it will be down to how much information the press of each country is allowed to print.

I'm not familar with the ammunition used, can you give me an update please?

Yes it is going way off topic but PLEASE don't try to suggest this country is the only location where there have been police shootings of innocent members of the public.

Your a great bloke but those remarks are out of order.

Regards,
John

I was not saying (not intended to suggest) that this is the only country where there are innocent shootings; what I was suggesting was that maybe the policy not to arm "standard" police due to "rogue shootings" (or due to the idea that if the police are armed, then so will the criminals) might not be the ideal. I'm all for police, and even more so for armed police (which is quite controversial in England...) - AS LONG AS the police is a) well-trained trained, b)experienced, c) informed. If the policy is not the arm police unless the worst occurs, then then the worst does occur, the people who are armed just aren't USED to walking around with a gun. IMHO, a mixed army/police force wouldn't be bad at all, but then again, that would imply armed people in public places... Question is, whats worse, letting those who are supposed to protect us be armed as the rest of the terrorists out there or just the terrorists?

But I digress; as for the ammunition, the shooting of the Brazilian guy (Menes? Menez? can't remember how his name is spelt) was done with "Dum Dum" ammunition (hollow pointed ammo, which spliters and practically explodes on inpact - practically impossible to do anything other than shooting to kill). From Wiki:

This creates a larger wound channel or channels with greater blood loss and trauma.

Another quick quote:

The Hague Convention of 1899 limited the use of "explosive" bullets in military use, defining illegal rounds as a jacketed bullet with an exposed lead tip (and, by implication, a jacketed base).

You can read alot more on dum-dums on their wiki-article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum-dum
and on the Hague Convention of 1899:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Conventions_(1899_and_1907)#Hague_Convention_of_1899

Michele

p.s. sorry for any offence caused if it seemed like I was suggesting that British police are the only to have rogue shootings, that was most certainly not what I intended. - Michele

 

[Fandango]

He has proof that one document says x and the car says y.

It's not illegal to change a clock in a car.

Do you really think the police have the resources to look into every single minor trading standards breach? That why it would be passed referred to them.

Pretty stupid to compare the murder of a child with a 60k rewind on an old Merc.

what absolute tosh!!!
This is an actual crime having been committed as the milage has been mis-represented and a gain made (I'd call that deception).
If this is the attitude of the police in general I really have to wonder whether we're not better off taking the law into our own hand...

karl

edit: sorry, was a bit late with this post, should have read the following 2 days worth of posts first....

 

[glojo]

But I digress; as for the ammunition, the shooting of the Brazilian guy (Menes? Menez? can't remember how his name is spelt) was done with "Dum Dum" ammunition (hollow pointed ammo, which spliters and practically explodes on inpact - practically impossible to do anything other than shooting to kill). From Wiki:

Jean Charles de Menezes

Hollow point ammunition was used and this has been around for years, it is sometimes the best, or most sensible option.

The usual military ammunition is quite capable of passing right through a modern house and of course any occupants that get in its way. The police\security services want ammunition that stops a person and hopefully remains within the target.

With this particular incident, as usual the media went into a feeding frenzie and took delight in seeing who could get the most spectacular headline: 'Dum-dum' bullet, illegal ammunition, blah de blah but if you read into there stories then somewhere you will find a 'cop out' (forgive the pun) similar to:

"There is no legal prohibition on police use of such ammunition. The Home Office confirmed last night that "chief officers may use whatever ammunition they consider appropriate to meet their operational needs".

Hollow point ammunition is NOT illegal. If you have a section 1 firearm, with the necessary certificate then you can buy this ammunition at any firearms outlet, but never let the truth spoil a good story.

If you want a laugh then I recommend you watch any of the fly on the wall US police programs. Just watch how the Police surround the suspect pointing their guns, but with the villain in the middle if these guns were fired the consequences could easily be disastrous.

I apologise for staying waaaay off topic but the truth deserves at least a hearing. I am proud of the excellent reputation our bobby on the beat has earned, but saddened to see how they appear to be letting it go down the pan with this 'Not our department guv' attitude.

Regards,
John

 

[big x]

With the introduction of the MOT database it's going to be very difficult to hide a cars true mileage in future years.Go here http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/internet/jsp/ECHID-Internet-History-Request.jsp
and the current and past MOT details are recorded including mileage,advisories and failure reasons.Before handing over cash ask for the V5c document reference number and do a check.With younger ex-fleet cars the National Mileage Register have a database that the likes of HPI tap into.This help stop traders getting hold of the cars just before the first MOT is due and clocking them.
Re-the dodgy Ebay seller I think it's worth pointing out that without paperwork to back up the stated mileage figure the trader who bought it would not for one minute take the figure as accurate and nor should you.Value accordingly.The seller may have broken ebay selling rules however he did not warranty the mileage as correct or even use such terms as "to the best of my knowledge." The best that could happen in a case like this would be for Trading Standards to issue a warning.Only persistent offenders are ever taken to court.

adam

 

[sasha]

As ever it is refreshing to see someone to post with: facts, opinion based on those facts and references / evidence to support their commentary.

In particular I liked the comment around ignoring the mileage stated if it was not warranted and / or if the vehicle has no supporting paperwork.

This suggests that if you purchase a (say) 2 year old, 40,000 mile vehicle then you should adjust the price to whatever your best guess / estimate of the worst-case mileage could be.

Thank you Adam

The outraged / naive can return to their seats now

 

[television]

As it stands, there is nothing to stop high milage 50k a year owner from losing 35k each year by having it clocked say 3 times in the first 3 years, his £240 outlay would net him several £k at the end of the day. If it was done once a year just before an anual service no one would know.

Malcolm

 

[glojo]

As it stands, there is nothing to stop high milage 50k a year owner from losing 35k each year by having it clocked say 3 times in the first 3 years, his £240 outlay would net him several £k at the end of the day. If it was done once a year just before an anual service no one would know.

Malcolm

Hi Malcolm,
A very valid point.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a 'big brother' black box in our cars???

Regards,
John

 

[aka$h]

All those things we said about what the guy who bought it would do with the history, take it all back!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1996-MERCEDES-C36-AMG-SILVER-1-START-BID-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ260076337273

Honest chap, he must have got a funny look of the mileage correction guy when he said 'please add 60k to my car'.

Hope he gets some of his money back off the guy he bought it off.

 

[Iain]

No reference to the damage though and it's cat d listing

 

[Howard]

What's Cat D mean then ?

Does he have to tell you about it ?

Will it affect when you come to insure it ?

 

[nick mercedes]

What's Cat D mean then ?

Does he have to tell you about it ?

Yes

Will it affect when you come to insure it ?

It does if you try to claim.

 

[janner]

Cat D means it's been an insurance write off. Something you might want to be told in the description. He's only reclocked it because it's worth more with FSH and slightly higher miles. He's as dodgy as the last bloke.
Surely no-one buys a C36 without a HPi check?

Edit..
I have a feeling the winning bidder will be told about it's history

 

[Howard]

Just asked him a question from the wifes ebay account , so he doesn't recognise me ...

' Hi there, any problems with the car i should know about before bidding ? is it HPI clear ? never been smashed or written off has it as so many of these cars are ... please let me know ...many thanks '

Lets see .....

 

[saorbust]

Hmm very interesting thread.

Well done for spotting the crime and the intention to commit deception. Regardless of the actual responses, it amazes me these days how hard it is to report crime.....wonder if this helps the stats.......


On the MOT point - I'm quite sure an HPI check would show up the mileage discrepancy, but can't be bothered to invest 38 quid to find out.

Morale of the story - always google a car you are about to buy - you never know where it might show up.....

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

How about that then?!

With regards to Cat D, maybe he's checked and it's showing as not recorded at the moment and is taking a chance. Anyone know how long it takes to appear.

Looks like there may be some clues about a recent repair through...

On this photo bonnet appears to be higher than the wing at the back, and lower at the front. The gap between the lowe edge of the headlamp and bumper is bigger on the drivers side than the passengers side.

And on this photo - when viewed from the front, the panel gap between the same wing and bonnet appears to be inconsistent - especially at the leading edge.

If it's not a trick of the light, let's hope that the potential purchases spot the clues, and ask the right questions, and the seller gives the right answers. Keeping 'em crossed.

 

[neilrr]

Cat D is the 'mildest' write off category (apart from stolen recovered) & the vendor is under no obligation to inform purchasers.

http://www.aacardatacheck.com/car-data-check/write-off-total-loss.html

The difference between a 'D' & any car YOU'VE been involved in an accident with that has been repaired is that it is fractionally cheaper for the insurance co to scrap than fix.


This is an example of a Cat D.

http://www.universal-auctions.co.uk...?templateName=item_form.htx&itemNumber=936838

 

[big x]

OK, I've splashed out £4.65 on an HPI report and this is what it says;

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This is a prepaid report. Here is your vehicle status report corresponding to the registration details supplied by the eBay seller. Please contact the seller if it highlights any discrepancies.
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Your reference is EB10968487 Date and time of your report 16/01/2007 13:43

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Vehicle description
Make: MERCEDES Year of Manufacture: 1996
Model: C36 AMG AUTO First registered: 01/05/1996
Colour: SILVER Previous keepers: 3
Engine (CC): 3606 Date keeper changed: 26/01/2005
Door plan: 4 Door Saloon Fuel type: Petrol
Engine number: 10494112077716




Vehicle status
Problems checked Results found
Police stolen : Not recorded as stolen, by the police
Outstanding finance : Not recorded as having outstanding finance
Insurance write-off : Recorded as an insurance write-off
Recorded by insurers as the subject of a total loss claim due to damage. Contact the seller for more details
Insurance theft : Not recorded by insurers as a theft
Security : Not recorded on our security register
Plate transfer history : No plate transfer recorded
Mileage Check : No mileage discrepancy is indicated by data currently held on NMR
Note: However this does not take into account any mileage supplied to eBay by the seller.
Valuation: £4,655 Average mileage assumed
This guide valuation is for a vehicle of this make and model with average mileage and condition for its age bought from a dealer.>>>>>>>

Clearly to list on Ebay the seller had to recalibrate the mileage or it would have flagged up on the NMR as well.Recently I was about to bid on a BMW 540i and it came up as a total lose at 2 years old.Must of been losts of damage to write of a car worth £30k but it still sold for good money. Why some people don't use the Ebay/HPI link is beyond me.There are also other online checks available at any time using the reg no. for £7.95.

adam

 

[Seamster15]

All those things we said about what the guy who bought it would do with the history, take it all back!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1996-MERCEDES-C36-AMG-SILVER-1-START-BID-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ260076337273

Honest chap, he must have got a funny look of the mileage correction guy when he said 'please add 60k to my car'.

Hope he gets some of his money back off the guy he bought it off.

He must have found this forum as the listing has now been removed!!! LOL

 

[big x]

He must have found this forum as the listing has now been removed!!! LOL

 

[Iain]

Subject: Re: Question for item #260076337273 - 1996 MERCEDES C36 AMG SILVER £1 START BID NO RESERVE! Received: 16-Jan-07
From: mrjmcmanus (Not a registered member)


And he's no longer registered.
Short ebay life eh!