Driver dies in stolen car chase

[chriswt]

With the greatest of respect.......

I did answer it in a polite, mature fashion that expressed my thoughts on your point but to make it crystal clear

I would be upset, angry, annoyed. BUT.....

I KNOW I would be mature enough to not give way to anarchy.

You are wrong to suggest the police should not persue thieves.

Wrong

John

Raymonts post did get me thinking but I have to agree with you Johm.

Very few car theives would be prosecuted if they weren't caught behind the wheel of a stolen car so if they knew the police wouldn't pursue them car theft would go through the roof.

One solution would be a large and fully operational fleet of helicopters to chase stolen cars but that isn't going to happen.

I truely believe that we all have a responsibility to secure our cars to deter theft in the first place. However, so many people have the 'tourist on the underground' obliviousness towards crime!

 

[st4]

Why, what have you been doing.? Not going to be sharing a cell with Gary Glitter are you..?

No but they'll see my rants against them so if we were to go really BB its bye bye ***

 

[raymont]

Raymonts post did get me thinking but I have to agree with you Johm.

Very few car theives would be prosecuted if they weren't caught behind the wheel of a stolen car so if they knew the police wouldn't pursue them car theft would go through the roof.
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There are about 500 cars stolen every day. I suspect very few are actually chased which would mean that chasing them / not chasing them would have little impact on the thief's perception of risk of being caught.

 

[st4]

Of that 500 stolen, how many are reported stolen, and if reported stolen are reported stolen suitably quickly for the boys in blue to give chase...

 

[st13phil]

There are about 500 cars stolen every day. I suspect very few are actually chased which would mean that chasing them / not chasing them would have little impact on the thief's perception of risk of being caught.

I would suspect that most times a stolen vehicle is chased by the Police it's for reasons other than just the fact the vehicle is stolen. Unfortunately, the days of the average villain wearing a striped shirt, eye mask, and carrying a bag with "swag" written on it are long gone. A chance to catch a wanted scrote who happens to be driving a stolen vehicle is a chance not to be missed, I suspect.

The debate about whether or not the risks associated with a chase are worth it or not will go on forever because there's no simple answer. Personally, I'm on the "chase unless there's considerable risk to third parties" side of the debate, rather than the "let them run unless they're rabid" side, but I respect the views of those who believe the opposite.

 

[glojo]

One solution would be a large and fully operational fleet of helicopters to chase stolen cars but that isn't going to happen.!

The helicopter is an excellent aid but that is it.... It is an aid. Once the villain gets out of the car the helicopter cannot arrest the villains and contrary to these police programs these thieves\wanted people can and do evade the helicopter (been there and done it many times)

I object strongly to people that voice the remarks made by Raymont. What annoys me even more is when they start either waffling, or back tracking.

YES a thousand times yes, there will definitely be times when a pursuit is called off, there are even guidelines on what and what may not be pursued, but once the villain knows this, they will deliberately set this situation up.

In an earlier post I stated there should be a minimum mandatory custodial sentence for the riders/drivers of ANY vehicle that fails to stop. In my opinion this offence is not treated seriously enough and whilst we have the PC brigade that objects to police daring to stop any vehicle that fails to stop, then this game will not go away. The fear of imprisonment should be enough to get the wanted person to pull over, whereas at present this person is probably looking at community service
or if they are really bad then either probation or a suspended sentence.

I truely believe that we all have a responsibility to secure our cars to deter theft in the first place. However, so many people have the 'tourist on the underground' obliviousness towards crime!

I disagree,
We should be able to leave our cars unlocked and unattended without fear of it being stolen and to me it is NO excuse that the car was insecure I am NOT encouraging people to leave their car unlocked, or even worse leaving the keys inside it.

A number of years ago I was car gazing on the fore court of a dealership that sold very expensive cars, Maserati, Ferrari, Aston Martin's etc etc. These were not new cars, but certainly not old vehicles. Anyway out of curiosity I tried the driver's of one of these vehicles.............. It was unlocked. I tried the next and like wise. All the cars were unlocked and this was 2am on a very busy trunk route.

The next day I saw the proprietor and mentioned how I liked his collection of cars but did he know they were all left unlocked at night?

Yes was the reply. If anyone wants to steal a radio, then I would much prefer they simply stole it as opposed to breaking windows or damaging door locks??? Not sure I agreed with them but to my knowledge they never had any cars stolen or even the radio's.

John

 

[chriswt]

I disagree,
We should be able to leave our cars unlocked and unattended without fear of it being stolen and to me it is NO excuse that the car was insecure I am NOT encouraging people to leave their car unlocked, or even worse leaving the keys inside it.

Of course you are right but it's a pointless comment to make and to say that we don't have a responisbility to secure our possessions and property isn't right either imo.

Some people don't know the difference between right and wrong becuase they are to young or haven't been taught so regardless of living in a crime free world there will still be people who will take something if it is not secured.

A firend of mine once said, after some house break-in's in her street, "what's the point in locking my garage to prevent crime" they'll only break into someone elses house if they don't break into mine".....what a silly women!


In case law there is the story of the two children who walked into an unlocked shed to play with a bottle marked 'posion' and one child died. The owner of the shed was held responsible for not securing his shed...

...Ok so that is slightly different to theft by an adult but until we live in a world without crime we still have a responsibility to prevent crime.

 

[recycled]

For a long time I've thought the Police should use something like this for stopping stolen cars.

i recall them using a similar tactic in the mersey tunnel.
Guess what? the police were blamed for the boys death. How stupid

 

[recycled]

Hasn't the law and guidelines changed recently to impose tougher and more automatic sentencing for Death by careless driving. Dangerous driving was difficult to prove.

what they say is one thing. what they do, is another.
Is murder not life in jail?

 

[recycled]

The police has no blame whatsoever in this case. it is unfortunate but not caused by the police.
I am just a bit sceptical about too much surveilance because e.g the amount of junk mail i get during election time is just staggering.
Vote this ,vote that and then when i refuse to register they say it is a £1000 fine. Then they threaten me with too much rubbish when i have to throw it all away.
A quick letter to the council is not doing anything so far.

Back to topic, the police do not know how the chase is going to end, i mean they could be running after a burglar, who knocks into an old woman that dies from head injuries. is that the police fault too?

Once the west yorkshire police chased a thief who decided o run acros the motorway and got splattered. Guess who was blamed?

 

[Dieselman]

Once the west yorkshire police chased a thief who decided o run acros the motorway and got splattered. Guess who was blamed?

The Highways Agency for putting a motorway there..?

 

[Dieselman]

what they say is one thing. what they do, is another.
Is murder not life in jail?

It should be..but life doesn't mean life, although if I'm correct doesn't the release under licence last for life.?

 

[kjay]

I'm not hyjacking the thread here so bear with me.

I found out the name of the scum who keyed my car.
Two girls that were with him, know my girlfreinds daughters. They told him not to do it because they knew it was my car. They've said they'll be willing to give statements to the police.
After 3 weeks devil: ), the police have eventually turned up to get the names of the witnesses and said..

Despite the witness statements and even if he admits it, he'll probably get off scot free anyway !!!!!!

So whats the answere? Do we all have to spend extra money on 'scratch proof' paint or high tech traking devices Etc..?

NO. The answere is from ANY AGE to show people there are consequences to their actions. As long as pathetic fines and sentences (if any at all) are handed out they will continue progressing up the crime ladder!

If the Lowlife that caused the death of the innocent motorist hasn't a string of unpunished crimes behind him, I'll eat my hat.

.

 

[Dieselman]

Despite the witness statements and even if he admits it, he'll probably get off scot free anyway !!!!!!

If the Lowlife that caused the death of the innocent motorist hasn't a string of unpunished crimes behind him, I'll eat my hat.

.

Almost certainly true.

In your case persue it as at least that way you have some chance of recompense and he will get a formal record of comitting a crime, even if he's let go with a slap on the wrist.
It might make him think of not doing it in future.

 

[recycled]

Which is the people that the tracking is targeting, not Joe public. The tracking only tracks your car, not you per-se.

I watched the programme in THIS thread last night. It was very enlightening.

after watching that, i do have a lot of respect for the police. I just wish the justice department will catch up when it comes to sentencing and all crimes can be treated with the same vigour.
As for the surveillance stuff, just shows that cloning can be a very bad situation and why is there no help for the woman? surely stealing plates is a crime, or are they just looking for someone to pay some money? and how can you drive off with no tax, just because you have paid £200?

 

[glojo]

I'm not hyjacking the thread here so bear with me.

I found out the name of the scum who keyed my car.
Two girls that were with him, know my girlfreinds daughters. They told him not to do it because they knew it was my car. They've said they'll be willing to give statements to the police.
After 3 weeks devil: ), the police have eventually turned up to get the names of the witnesses and said..

Despite the witness statements and even if he admits it, he'll probably get off scot free anyway !!!!!!.

I'm sorry but hand on heart I would either get copies of the statements or get statements myself and then seek redress, be that via the services of solictor, small claims cout, civil redress, or going to see the parents. I would not let tghis rest.

Regards
and good luck
John

 

[crockers]

I think that we need to just step back for one minute.

These people do not think like most rationale people. We know that if we do something there are consequences that have to be paid.

They do not think of the consequences of their actions - they feel that the world owes them - that they are the victims and act accordingly.

So its no good being a bleeding heart in this matter as its almost got to the state of there being a war in this country between those that care and those that don't.

I heard that today in Croydon - two policemen we threatened by a crowd because they told a girl to pick up a piece of litter. That is not a rationale action by the masses - so to be honest I now despair at the state we are getting into and whereas in the past I was very much for a liberal attitude towards people -- now I just want them off the streets so that rationale sane people can walk in safety.

I apologise it this is deemed political and if I have offended anyone...

 

[Dieselman]

and how can you drive off with no tax, just because you have paid £200?

The lack of tax isn't a huge issue and wasn't the £200 to cover the lack of tax and an imposed fine, thus the car was then effectively taxed as the duty had been paid.

Nice to see the window tints disappearing..

 

[recycled]

The lack of tax isn't a huge issue and wasn't the £200 to cover the lack of tax and an imposed fine, thus the car was then effectively taxed as the duty had been paid.

Nice to see the window tints disappearing..

yes but did she have insurance?

 

[Dieselman]

I thought so, but now you've made me think...

Just checked. It was speeding, blacked out windows and no road tax. She has insurance.

They peeled the window film off and checked the car for drugs. There was drugs in the seats, not hers, previous owners. Note the blacked out windows..