Driver dies in stolen car chase

[recycled]

just checked too. she now seems to have tax and insurance. stupid.
Like i said good on the police to taget these chaps and unfortunate as car chases are, if every thief knows that police will stop as soon as they jump into a car will that not cause more car crime?

 

[nick mercedes]

I like the idea of life imprisonment meaning life. (and not perhaps just seven years)

Regards
John

The trouble with banging people up forever is, 1 it gives them no hope, and 2 you end up with full prisons.

 

[nick mercedes]

If there were proper rules in place say the system could only be activated if involved in a Police persuit, then what does it matter for average citizens.?

I'm not expecting to be in a position where I won't stop if involved in a Police persuit, are you.?

Forget the theoretical maybe, what if, arguments and keep this confined to that exact allowance of use. Is is really an issue then?
The Police intend to stop the vehicle anyway, so cutting the engine is the most safe and least damaging route to take.

Thin end of the wedge when we all capitulate to the nanny state...

 

[nick mercedes]

Despite the witness statements and even if he admits it, he'll probably get off scot free anyway !!!!!!

So whats the answere? Do we all have to spend extra money on 'scratch proof' paint or high tech traking devices Etc..?

We need a police force who take sorting out crime seriously.

It's easier for them to sit in an ANPR van on a bypass somewhere and catch "criminals" than it is for them to persue the kid who damaged your car.

It's because the police are lazy and only go for the really easy convictions.

 

[glojo]

The trouble with banging people up forever is, 1 it gives them no hope, and 2 you end up with full prisons.

I'm sorry Nick but for serial rapists, murders of a certain category including the severest death by dangerous driving, then I do NOT give a flying fig about giving prisoners 'no hope' or even filling our prisons up.

I would stop all this molly coddling, stop, or ban smoking, stop ALL contact visits between prisoners and visitors, stop all phone calls and only allow open letter communication from prisoners to the outside world, and make prisoners work for their upkeep.

Of course lesser crimes will receive lesser punishments and my above description would be for the very worse offenders that do not take advantage of 'reform'.

Raymont
Forgive me for being blunt but I have had to listen to armchair critics (9 o'clock juries) for most of my working life and I have little respect for those that come out with remarks that I find....... 'humorous'

How on earth do you know who is driving this 'just a stolen car' and what if any crimes they may, or may not have committed and what is in this vehicle!

To me that is a really silly statement as I have very rarely come across a saint that has all of a sudden decided to steal a car! Yes you might have a domestic where someone has lost there temper and nicked a car but even these people tend to be sometimes mentally unbalanced and leaving them is high risk just in case they decide to end it all in style.

Most stolen cars are stolen by villains and when stopped it is NOT uncommon for numerous other offences to be disclosed. The only time you know it is 'Just a stolen car' is when you stop it.

I believe that in this modern age of the police being very self conscious about image and bad publicity I would guess a senior officer in the control room would monitor a pursuit and if things were getting out of hand it would be called off?

John

 

[Colin_b]

I disagree completely. I'm not bothered by it because I've got the guts to ensure the proper procedures and channels are followed.
It's the gutless people that want to stop it because they can't admit to themselves that they are either doing something wrong, or are too weak to challenge officialdom, IF wrongly accused of something.
The objectors are mainly in the former camp or financially supported by them.

No one is having any liberties taken away, they are free to move about at will.

Too many people want to break the rules then fool themselves that they haven't.

I disagree about no-one having their civil liberties taken away, they are being eroded at a frightening rate!

Fundamentally, HMG and local councils get powers for one purpose, which creeps much further than promised.

Anti-terror ligislation that is now routinely used for shutting up 'troublemakers', checking you don't try to get your children into the wrong school, storing all your email and phone calls and trawling through your financil affairs and the like to try and solve relatively trivial transgressions.

All the data stored on ill-managed and insecure databases that leak data like a sieve.

We have the ability to be detained for 6 weeks without any evidence against us.

Your car, or someone else's if you are driving it, can be confiscated on the uncorroborated word of a single police officer, even if you have broken no law.

I'm convinced that giving HMG control over our freedom to travel is a bad idea.

That power, along with the others will be abused.

I'm a law abiding citizen, and have nothing to hide (an internet post criticizing the government isn't illegal yet), but I think the level at which my(and your) life is covertly observed and monitored is excessive.

 

[Dieselman]

The trouble with banging people up forever is, 1 it gives them no hope, and 2 you end up with full prisons.

Would they end up full if criminals thought they really would lose their liberty for life as opposed to a year or two, then be out to commit more crime.?

 

[Dieselman]

We have the ability to be detained for 6 weeks without any evidence against us.

Under anti terroism laws.
Which came first, the terrorists or the law to protect 99.999999999999999999999999999% of british citizens.

I don't think the 6 week time can be applied willy nilly. Doesn't it require the consent of the Home Secretary. I don't think they will grant it for jumping a red light.

 

[recycled]

The trouble with banging people up forever is, 1 it gives them no hope, and 2 you end up with full prisons.

not if you build more. if you need 1million spaces, then so be it.
the trouble with letting them out is it gives victims no hope.
and forcee the existing prisoners to build the new ones. take away playstations and skysports and let it be a proper bastille

 

[Colin_b]

Under anti terroism laws.
Which came first, the terrorists or the law to protect 99.999999999999999999999999999% of british citizens.

I don't think the 6 week time can be applied willy nilly. Doesn't it require the consent of the Home Secretary. I don't think they will grant it for jumping a red light.

For the time being. Was anti-terror legislation to be used for arresting a heckler at the labour party conference? Someone reading the names of those killed in our latest war outside parliament? A teenager wearing an unapproved T shirt?

 

[st4]

. Note the blacked out windows..

Oi, I had blacked out windows on my previous motor. I am not a drug dealler

But I'd like the money of one and the tax freeness of it all

 

[Carrotchomper]

Oi, I had blacked out windows on my previous motor. I am not a drug dealler

But I'd like the money of one and the tax freeness of it all

Right.

BMW X5, large alloys and blacked out windows.

Dealer you were

 

[st4]

Right.

BMW X5, large alloys and blacked out windows.

Dealer you were

Supplier actually

 

[crockers]

Supplier actually

Admit it ......................................You're a chemist......

 

[raymont]

With the greatest of respect.......



You are wrong to suggest the police should not persue thieves.

Wrong

John

Where did I say it was wrong to pursue thieves?

In my original post in this thread, the relevant part of which is:

I don't particularly care about the criminals, but I do care about the others.

Is the risk worth it for a stolen vehicle? ,

I asked a question to stimulate a debate. I didn't give an opinion. I didn't say it's not worth the risk.

 

[st4]

Admit it ......................................You're a chemist......

I actually have a degree in chemistry and I used to know the scietific way to make Aspirin but also Cocaine.

Given the big brother culture if I were to buy the simple raw materials required using a credit card, the police would be round within 24hrs. In our uni they were doing a synthesis to make an organic compound and the starting materials were the same to make cocaine. The CID were round so fast....

 

[raymont]

Raymont
Forgive me for being blunt but I have had to listen to armchair critics (9 o'clock juries) for most of my working life and I have little respect for those that come out with remarks that I find....... 'humorous'

How on earth do you know who is driving this 'just a stolen car' and what if any crimes they may, or may not have committed and what is in this vehicle!

To me that is a really silly statement as I have very rarely come across a saint that has all of a sudden decided to steal a car! Yes you might have a domestic where someone has lost there temper and nicked a car but even these people tend to be sometimes mentally unbalanced and leaving them is high risk just in case they decide to end it all in style.

Most stolen cars are stolen by villains and when stopped it is NOT uncommon for numerous other offences to be disclosed. The only time you know it is 'Just a stolen car' is when you stop it.

I believe that in this modern age of the police being very self conscious about image and bad publicity I would guess a senior officer in the control room would monitor a pursuit and if things were getting out of hand it would be called off?

John

Lots of words. No answer to my question though.

 

[nick mercedes]

I'm sorry Nick but for serial rapists, murders of a certain category including the severest death by dangerous driving, then I do NOT give a flying fig about giving prisoners 'no hope' or even filling our prisons up.

I would stop all this molly coddling, stop, or ban smoking, stop ALL contact visits between prisoners and visitors, stop all phone calls and only allow open letter communication from prisoners to the outside world, and make prisoners work for their upkeep.

That won't help anyone.

 

[nick mercedes]

Would they end up full if criminals thought they really would lose their liberty for life as opposed to a year or two, then be out to commit more crime.?

Not all criminals go on to commit more crime.

We, as a society, have to assume that people will learn from their punishment.

 

[nick mercedes]

Under anti terroism laws.
Which came first, the terrorists or the law to protect 99.999999999999999999999999999% of british citizens.

When our country was being attacked by the IRA on a regular basis we seemed to get by without all these laws. Then, when America, who some might say have dragged themselves into the crosshairs by their own actions, gets attacked, we all suddenly lose our civil liberties....