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Just changed it back to my old one. Starts and idles sweet.

Bosch one then? :D

Did you try cleaning it? Oily contamination will insulate the hot film making the airflow cool it less and so give a lower flow reading...which is what your low test voltage indicates.

You will have to extract the MAF element from its case to clean it.

Long shot but better than watching Coronation Street!

The intake air temp sensor is also worth a clean - it provides a voltage value used by the ECU based on how its resistance changes with temp.

Assuming its the usual item, check for about 2500 Ohms at 20C (room temp) and 185 Ohms at 100C (dipped in the kettle).

(oil vapour gets to these items as the cylinder head breather pipe will join the intake somewhere between the MAF/air temp sensor and where the pipe enters the compressor)

Same test values apply to the coolant sensor (used by the ECU to know when the car has warmed up!). Easiest to test for roughly 250-325 Ohms with the car warmed up as it will be somewhere near 80-90C.

Both temp sensors are cheap - about £15 or so - but also easy to test and eliminate.
 
I keep reading the title of this thread and have, up to now, resisted the temptation to say, "look under the bonnet" :wallbash:.

Sorry Gina
 
Get one from ECP and ask for discount. Then ask for more.
 
Gina - did you notice if the old MAF sensor or the pipework that it connects to was oily at all?

If so - as has been said above, this could damage the MAF, they're quite delicate/sensitive.

Sorry to link to another forum (:o), but this could well be useful (I'd seen it on here ages ago and had saved it in my favourites!)

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Just that if the old sensor is faulty because it's been covered in oil, you don't want to fit a new one until the problem is solved and the intake is clean IMHO :)

Best of luck,

Will
 
Gina - did you notice if the old MAF sensor or the pipework that it connects to was oily at all?

If so - as has been said above, this could damage the MAF, they're quite delicate/sensitive.

Sorry to link to another forum (:o), but this could well be useful (I'd seen it on here ages ago and had saved it in my favourites!)

Mercedes-Benz Owners' Forums

Just that if the old sensor is faulty because it's been covered in oil, you don't want to fit a new one until the problem is solved and the intake is clean IMHO :)

Best of luck,

Will

There's always a slight build up on high mileage units - some of the vapour from the engine vent will inevitably condense in there over the years.

I took the 2 MAFs out of my S211 280CDI and the right one was noticeably oiled but the left one perfectly clean (75,000 miles).

I cleaned it by dunking up and down in a champagne glass full of isopropyl alcohol (just the right size for the insert) and the alcohol turned light brown. A second rinse was clean. I then wiped the pipe out which was just faintly oily all over (only on the right).

Both MAFs on the V6 lead to the same joined up turbo intake where the oil breather enters - presumably some slight difference in aerodynamics means that resting vapour is able to go up the right hand tube only....and over time leads to slight fouling.

Cleaning the oily one has made my gearchanges smoother (especially by removing most of the hesitation in the downchange when you need more power out of a bend) and full throttle is definitely perkier. Presumably the ecu now believes it has more air available in total so supplies more fuel and boost.
 
There was a bit of oily residue in the MAF but not an alarming amount, considering it's done 157,000 miles! Worth a clean first perhaps?
 
If memory serves, the 3 valve AMG engines don't have a MAF sensor, and instead use a MAP sensor.

Does replacing a well used map sensor improve driveability in the same way?
 
There was a bit of oily residue in the MAF but not an alarming amount, considering it's done 157,000 miles! Worth a clean first perhaps?

Yes, definitely. Then ideally check the voltage at full bore again to see if it changed (upwards).

Might save you £100+....

Clean the air temp sensor at the same time - should be in the same inlet pipe, clipped in with wires attached. Usually nearer the engine than the MAF (but I haven't worked on a K so not sure).
 
Gina's car does have a MAF...its already been identified inc part number.

Which is correct. There are two for the C230k, the correct one being A0000940948 which tallies with that Bosch number given by ECP.

Their description of how it works is complete rubbish though...

Air Flow Meter
This sensor measures the volume of air that is drawn in to the engine. It is measured by the deflection of the flap located in the Air flow sensor. The flap is connected to the potentiometer which then sends a signal to the ECU.


Yer..right..:D
 
Which is correct. There are two for the C230k, the correct one being A0000940948 which tallies with that Bosch number given by ECP.

Their description of how it works is complete rubbish though...

Air Flow Meter
This sensor measures the volume of air that is drawn in to the engine. It is measured by the deflection of the flap located in the Air flow sensor. The flap is connected to the potentiometer which then sends a signal to the ECU.


Yer..right..:D

Their description is of the older vane air flow meters - spring loaded flap waving in the air stream with a potentiometer at its pivot ...
 
Their description is of the older vane air flow meters - spring loaded flap waving in the air stream with a potentiometer at its pivot ...

I know. ;)


BTW. I'd be very surprised if Gina's MAS recovers after a clean going by the low outputs recorded.

Worth a try though as the oil and dirt acts as a thermal barrier.
 
I know. ;)

Worth a try though as the oil and dirt acts as a thermal barrier.

Agreed - sort of like applying grease to the cross-channel swimmers!

Assuming the air filters have always been maintained and fitted correctly there shouldn't be any dirt....:)

Definitely good to clean up the rest of the pipe before the new one goes in though..
 
Its amazing how a simple problem can run 12 pages because it was opened by a female... ;)
 
There is enough information in this thread to write up a proper HOW TO on testing these components :D
 
Its amazing how a simple problem can run 12 pages because it was opened by a female... ;)

Only 'cos a Blokeeey would've got there before...

It does make a pretty good 'how to' though....Testing for Dummies..

Be honest, did anyone know how to test a MAS..? ;)
 

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