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And we all thought/hoped he’d matured.
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I actually watched it for once , not bad . But I agree , we thought he had grown up a bit . He was being beaten and didn't like it.
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I couldn't be sure, but from what I saw on C4, it looked almost like after the incident where Max crowded Lando into the breaking zone and picked up his immediate puncture, that when Lando was then trying to pass, Max looked like he was going to/trying to ram Lando's car to block him Schumacher-Damon Hill style. It looked like Lando felt the same, and only the presence of another car complicated this and allowed Lando to perform a darting manoeuvre to overtake that Max couldn't quite respond to (before Lando's ultimate tyre shredding demise).
I'm no F1 expert and might have got that assessment wrong, but anyone who lands their car on the head of another driver (Monza) and his first reaction over the wellbeing/safety/broken neck of the person he's just landed on is 'that's what you get for not giving me enough room [going into the apex of a corner when you're a car length in front and just letting me through]' really fixed my opinion of Max.
I'm no F1 expert and might have got that assessment wrong, but anyone who lands their car on the head of another driver (Monza) and his first reaction over the wellbeing/safety/broken neck of the person he's just landed on is 'that's what you get for not giving me enough room [going into the apex of a corner when you're a car length in front and just letting me through]' really fixed my opinion of Max.
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Ant Davidson’s analysis on Sky F1 was bang on.
The rules on movement in the braking zone (and some other driving standards regulations) were brought in as a response to Max’ past driving behaviours that were correctly deemed as unfair and dangerous. Sadly, to my knowledge, he has never been properly reprimanded for subsequent transgressions. Further he has never to my recollection ever accepted any blame or responsibility for his driving behaviour.
Many point to incidents in ‘21, including Brazil where he needed to go through passport control to get back on the circuit after driving Lewis off the track or indeed Monza.
Worse (for me) was his collision with Lewis in Brazil ‘22 where he just deliberately cleaned him out in the Senna Esses and just shrugged his shoulders saying, “Ah well, he didn’t win did he?”
That he is unequivocally backed up by RBR who are so quick to gaslight the rest of the paddock only adds to the problem.
I think Max will get a great deal of stick from the crowd next weekend, but he truly won’t care. If he ever gets properly brought to task by the FiA, he’ll flounce off in a huff like spoilt child that he is.
His ability to drive the car at a truly outstanding level is unquestionable. But he has zero respect for his fellow racer or the the rules and has absolutely no sense of sportsmanship whatsoever.
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Max has a long list of Ex Best mates. He gets on well with them UNTIL they become competitive.
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Agreed...
...which is why ^ this is all the more unnecessary.
It strikes me that he needs the sort of "chat" that occurred between Mika Hakkinen and Michael Schumacher after the latter tried to run the former off the Spa track at 300kph in 2000. Either that or someone needs to do a James Hunt and lump him one
Mr Brundle is of a similar opinion. I wonder how long Max and Lando can remain 'mates'
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Suggestion that Jos Verstappen-Christian Horner row influenced return of ‘Max 1.0’
Martin Brundle gives his verdict on the collision between Max Verstappen and Lando Norris in Austria.
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It would be a great weekend to have Hamilton, Norris and Russell all on the podium this Sunday and in that order.
Hopefully there will be some good racing again this weekend. I liked Ant Davidsons account of what happened but what has stuck in my mind which hasn't been spoken about much is that after MV bumping LN out of the way, was the way MV then pushed LN on to the grass despite knowing he himself had a puncture.
It will be interesting see how LN deals with MV on track from now onwards.
Hopefully there will be some good racing again this weekend. I liked Ant Davidsons account of what happened but what has stuck in my mind which hasn't been spoken about much is that after MV bumping LN out of the way, was the way MV then pushed LN on to the grass despite knowing he himself had a puncture.
It will be interesting see how LN deals with MV on track from now onwards.
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Agreed. It's like the rest of the driver's need to collectively agree that when wheel to wheel with Max, they are fair, but hard and will not be pushed off the track under any circumstances except when behind on the inside at a closing corner apex. This will mean that for some races, whichever driver 'does battle' with Max will probably be taken out with Max, but collectively they can tolerate the odd race DNF, whereas repeatedly for Max consitent DNFs due to crashing into people would be too damaging in the points and he would have to evaluate his approach. But 'team sports' this isn't, hence why Max can leverage this strategy.
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Interesting approach.
I’m looking forward to seeing Max in more close racing. Racing is relatively easy in clean air with nobody on your tail, and with back markers are clearing a path, but much harder when in and amongst the pack.
That is not to takeaway from the fact that to be in the position you need to be one of the very fastest drivers in the fastest car though, and becoming one of the fastest drivers in the fastest car is not an easy thing to do!
I doubt Max has matured much or acquired any sense of sportsmanship. The only reason Max hasn't been a complete ar$e in the last few years is because the car has been so dominant that he didn't need to be. Now he is under pressure we are beginning to see the old 2021 and prior seasons version of Max.
I can see and admit that Max is an exceptional driver which should mean he can afford to play fair, that he doesn't will always make him 2nd rate in my books .
I can see and admit that Max is an exceptional driver which should mean he can afford to play fair, that he doesn't will always make him 2nd rate in my books .
Senna had all the hallmarks of someone who would go beyond fair racing well before he got to F1.
Check what he did to Martin Brundle who had the audacity to lead him at Outlon Park in 1983.
How do I remember? I was the one who had to rebuild Brundle's car
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Too young to remember that one!Senna had all the hallmarks of someone who would go beyond fair racing well before he got to F1.
Check what he did to Martin Brundle who had the audacity to lead him at Outlon Park in 1983.
How do I remember? I was the one who had to rebuild Brundle's car
But watching it, the immediate thing I notice is that as soon as they come to a stop, Senna is rushing out of the car to check on Brundle and help him!
Whereas Max is gloating he's landed his car on someone's head and "that's what you get".
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'Like father, Like son' can work both ways. John/Jenson Button (decent). Jos/Max (not so decent)
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The problem with Max is that whilst he says he enjoys close racing, in reality he clearly doesn't. When properly challenged, he seems to feel threatened and responds by driving erratically and over aggressively. There are way too many examples of this behaviour to list.
I think it's really very difficult to race somebody that cannot be trusted to not simply 'have you off'...
As mentioned above, even with a puncture, Max was trying to 'collect' Lando's car. He certainly blocked him on the run back to the pits even though Lando's race was done.
In addition, in spite of all of the evidence, Max will never admit that he was at fault in any way. He has not done so yet as far as I know.
Further, Red Bull have never as much as suggested that Max might have been at fault for any of the past incidents that were clearly a result of Max's poor driving behaviour. Totally disingenuous, unprofessional and immature. A sad indictment of modern-day F1 I'm afraid.
I think it's really very difficult to race somebody that cannot be trusted to not simply 'have you off'...
As mentioned above, even with a puncture, Max was trying to 'collect' Lando's car. He certainly blocked him on the run back to the pits even though Lando's race was done.
In addition, in spite of all of the evidence, Max will never admit that he was at fault in any way. He has not done so yet as far as I know.
Further, Red Bull have never as much as suggested that Max might have been at fault for any of the past incidents that were clearly a result of Max's poor driving behaviour. Totally disingenuous, unprofessional and immature. A sad indictment of modern-day F1 I'm afraid.
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So Lando, showing a lot of maturity, has tried to cool things down a bit...
Lando Norris: Nerve-wracking battles with Verstappen and confidence in McLaren
Lando Norris says he will try to work out a way to prevent another on-track clash with Max Verstappen following their collision while battling for victory at the Austrian Grand Prix.
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