F1 2024

[Dryce]

When the lead driver has to be begged to comply, threatened with consequences if he doesn't, there's new risk to be considered. Team harmony is a benefit worth preserving - or so it transpired.
As I said double stacking would have been clumsy but so was what prevailed.

The double stack going wrong can knock the relative leads of both cars.

So as an example - a problem changing the tyres on the first car it then impacts on the second car. Or if the second car misses its stop them then rather than end up a bit forward of the mechanics it could hit and interfere with the car in front.

 

[GeeJayW]

Audi announce ex-Ferrari chief Mattia Binotto as new F1 boss

Audi have announced former Ferrari Team Principal Mattia Binotto is returning to Grand Prix racing as the new leader of their Formula 1 project.

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[Bellow]

The double stack going wrong can knock the relative leads of both cars.

So as an example - a problem changing the tyres on the first car it then impacts on the second car. Or if the second car misses its stop them then rather than end up a bit forward of the mechanics it could hit and interfere with the car in front.

Back to where I started - McLaren need to practice double stacking!

I'm more in agreement with you than disagreement - it's just the oddness of the situation that McLaren trapped itself in. What ensued was probably the best they could have done. I suspect a ruthlessness in Piastri that is probably better not invoked - for now at least.

 

[GeeJayW]

Back to where I started - McLaren need to practice double stacking!

I'm more in agreement with you than disagreement - it's just the oddness of the situation that McLaren trapped itself in. What ensued was probably the best they could have done. I suspect a ruthlessness in Piastri that is probably better not invoked - for now at least.

Would have been a ‘courageous’ decision. I can’t remember the last time any team double-stacked under green flag conditions.

 

[Mactech]

In hindsight it would have been exciting to see Lando give the place back instantly then both fight for the win

With the added possibility of neither car making the finish...... No, I don't think that was an option even with the most 'compliant' of team mates.

 

[HappytalkAgain]

With the added possibility of neither car making the finish...... No, I don't think that was an option even with the most 'compliant' of team mates.

I know. Hence my

 

[MrGreedy]

Just watched the race. It was great, it was great, it was great, and then what a crock.

To my mind, Norris was clearly quicker than Piastri for at least half of the race.

With hindsight, the smart thinking would have been with 20 laps left and the switch places instruction, he could have said 'sure, but we can race for the remaining 20 laps, yes?'. Let him past at turn 12 and DRS'ed it right away for an overtake.

The whole finish stank. It was virtually Norris parking up in front of the line and waiting for Piastri to catch up and cross the line before trundling over it. And then Piastri and all the other shifty corporate narcissist going 'oh yes, a well earned victory'. My backside.

I have no preference over Norris or Piastri, but this has left me deeply suspicious of Piastri, his backers and McLaren leadership. The whole thing reeks of money and not sportmanship. Unfortunately more F1 turn-offs in my view, just as the season was promising to be one of the best for ages.

Well done to Lewis for P3.

 

[GeeJayW]

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I have no preference over Norris or Piastri, but this has left me deeply suspicious of Piastri, his backers and McLaren leadership. The whole thing reeks of money and not sportmanship.

I was also wondering if there was/is some kind of hidden agenda.

 

[baxlin]

I was also wondering if there was/is some kind of hidden agenda.

Wary of Senna/Prost and Rosberg/Hamilton rivalries maybe, taking points off each other?

 

[GeeJayW]

Wary of Senna/Prost and Rosberg/Hamilton rivalries maybe, taking points off each other?

Not very good at being wary though, they let Piastri take 7-points off Norris.

 

[AMGeed]

Not very good at being wary are though, they let Piastri take 7-points off Norris.

Mercedes or Red Bull, even Ferrari would never have let that happen.
McLaren have a great car at the moment. Now they need solid management and a clear policy for the two drivers.

 

[MrGreedy]

Mused a bit further on the McLaren fiasco in the 24 hours since watching the race. I see two broad possibilities:

1. The pit stop/resulting position swap strategy wasn't thought out properly beforehand. The team principal could have owned this, got on the radio and said we've cocked up, we're sorry, and race it out boys. As Principal I'll take it on the chin in the debrief. Could have maybe added if Piastri can catch Lando we'll do the swap. Instead, if it was this scenario, he hid behind the team and pushed the problem/wedge between drivers and their race engineers. A weak, weak play of a coward and non-leader if you ask me.

2. The outcome was expected as a result of the pit stops, and some agenda we are not privy to played out in a way broadly aligned to it's intent.

As a fan of the simplest explanation is often the correct one....

 

[Nat]

It's been a good few races not having Red Bull dominating the races as such. I do wonder why they are suddenly not in that position and if the FIA have found something they shouldn't have and stopped them from using it, a bit like Ferrari a few years ago? I certainly don't see it that other teams upgrades have worked better either. Something has happened IMO.

Reference the Maccas last weekend. What a joke. I do get the pit stops and why Lando was pitted first but Lewis didn't seem to be a threat to them. Had Lando let him pass earlier and when first asked surely he would have been able to take the lead again? Or were team orders at play from the beginning, despite races never been won before on the first corner. All very odd and a showing a clear chink in their armour. Anyone else hear Lewis and Lando in the cool down room? Thought that was a bit daft of Lando with his reply to Lewis about having a fast car 7 years and now it's his turn. I can only guess his was running high on emotions.

Looking forward to this race as it's one of my favourite. The weather looks to be all of the place and having watched F3 earlier on I think we need more rain

 

[Nat]

It's chucking it down in Spa

 

[GeeJayW]

It's chucking it down in Spa

For a change…

 

[GeeJayW]

It's been a good few races not having Red Bull dominating the races as such. I do wonder why they are suddenly not in that position and if the FIA have found something they shouldn't have and stopped them from using it, a bit like Ferrari a few years ago? I certainly don't see it that other teams upgrades have worked better either. Something has happened IMO.

Reference the Maccas last weekend. What a joke. I do get the pit stops and why Lando was pitted first but Lewis didn't seem to be a threat to them. Had Lando let him pass earlier and when first asked surely he would have been able to take the lead again? Or were team orders at play from the beginning, despite races never been won before on the first corner. All very odd and a showing a clear chink in their armour. Anyone else hear Lewis and Lando in the cool down room? Thought that was a bit daft of Lando with his reply to Lewis about having a fast car 7 years and now it's his turn. I can only guess his was running high on emotions.

Looking forward to this race as it's one of my favourite. The weather looks to be all of the place and having watched F3 earlier on I think we need more rain

Red Bull’s on-track performance advantage has to some extent diminished because McLaren and Mercedes have made some significant improvements and have caught up. This weekend will be interesting because Red Bull have gone back to an earlier iteration on bodywork and are taking a new power unit as well. So, we’ll see if they recover some relative pace.

With the quickest car, Max is very good at exploiting that. When he is under pressure, he is less able to make a difference without being over aggressive. This isn’t anything new, he’s always been like that in F1. I actually think that his ‘obsession’ with Sim Racing where crashing has no real consequences, reinforces his poor driving behaviours in F1, which have never been properly addressed by the stewards and regulators.

 

[baxlin]

Qually spoiler alert:

So the Red Bulls have ‘lost it’ then?

 

[GeeJayW]

Qually spoiler alert:

So the Red Bulls have ‘lost it’ then?

Certainly quick in the wet today. Going back to their 'twin sausage' aero package may have given them back some of their advantage. Different conditions tomorrow, so we'll see how it works out for them.

 

[HappytalkAgain]

Time for Perez to shine. It’s now or never.

 

[GeeJayW]

Time for Perez to shine. It’s now or never.

Came very very close to going out early....