Formula 1 2020 (Will Contain Race Day Spoilers)

[Darrell]

Well at least that would prevent gongs for political ambassadors working abroad to develop and maintain UK relationships for the good of our economy y and security.

You’ll find that diplomats etc are given their gongs at the latter stage of their career when they’ve done the overseas stuff or once they retire. Not forgetting though it’ll be the British Government that sends them there.

 

[glojo]

With honours, I think it so sad that folks are rewarded for doing their everyday job for which they are highly paid and yes this is going waaaaay off-topic but someone who gives up all their spare time to improve the quality of life for perhaps children in a child's hospice, or folks that go into old peoples homes all in their very valuable spare time, to me these are the people we should be honouring but hey ho, tis off-topic

 

[Essexbob]

If he is not fit, he should not race.

I am possibly guilty of being sucked into drifting off topic but hey.... Let he or she that does not do this raise their hand.

LH has also suggested his lack of a good qualifying was down to having that ten-day gap he endured... Yup, that also makes sense as much sense as him being under the weather.

If ANY driver is unfit to race then they should be stopped from racing. If they are fit to race then get in the car and race.

Could it be that his ego has been dented when we see someone that had not earned a single race point all season, jump into his car and perform as good as Hamilton? Every pundit was predicting that both Mercedes would have, could have, might have lapped the whole field in that last race. Hup, as I said previously, this is a UK site and we have fans of Hamilton who believe his results are all down to him and woe betide anyone that disagrees with them

Going way off-topic yet again.. It was a common sight to see motor-bike racers quite literally being lifted onto their machine bevause of broken, or injured bodies and yet they still won races.

all credit to those brave riders, but based on your own comments surely those injured bike racers should not have been riding ... . Ham' success it multi faceted and includes his ability and a great car and team, something all drivers need to work towards whether four or two wheels.

 

[Essexbob]

With honours, I think it so sad that folks are rewarded for doing their everyday job for which they are highly paid and yes this is going waaaaay off-topic but someone who gives up all their spare time to improve the quality of life for perhaps children in a child's hospice, or folks that go into old peoples homes all in their very valuable spare time, to me these are the people we should be honouring but hey ho, tis off-topic

I agree and as already stated its our elected politicians etc that make those choices no the individuals concerned, unless they have very powerful friends in high places.

 

[glojo]

all credit to those brave riders, but based on your own comments surely those injured bike racers should not have been riding ... . Ham' success it multi faceted and includes his ability and a great car and team, something all drivers need to work towards whether four or two wheels.

I accept your point and I think the rules have now changed but those riders never complained about feeling unwell or poorly. All they would ask for was for someone to hold their crutches. Respect to them

It was only a couple of weeks ago that formula 1 pundits stated that a race driver would have to be very ill before they complained, clearly those comments might not apply to every racer on the grid. 'Delhi belly' cannot be a pleasant bug\illness but does that ailment prevent F1 drivers from racing? Not a nice condition and much respect to them for managing to last a race distance but did they??

 

[bob6600]

Not to take anything away from Max but a couple of things have helped Red Bull get that pole position.

1. The ban of 'party mode' for qualifying in the middle of the season
2. The fact that Mercedes stop developing the car months ago where as Red Bull have continued to develop their car

In other news, McLaren announce a minor (15% rising to 33% max) significant share holder

@Happytalk73

McLaren Group announces new investment in McLaren Racing

McLaren Group announces new investment in McLaren Racing

www.mclaren.com

 

[grober]

Where does Sir Philip Green live again? In terms of sportsmen/ women getting knighthoods many have been honoured for a fraction of what LH has achieved in his sport. Never mind there's always the first Olympic break dancing knighthood to look forward to.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

With honours, I think it so sad that folks are rewarded for doing their everyday job for which they are highly paid and yes this is going waaaaay off-topic but someone who gives up all their spare time to improve the quality of life for perhaps children in a child's hospice, or folks that go into old peoples homes all in their very valuable spare time, to me these are the people we should be honouring but hey ho, tis off-topic

I agree. Such honours should be reserved for people who go above and beyond the norm to help out others. Film and sports stars getting reward for ‘doing their job’ (albeit very well) do not qualify IMO. However one could say some of those people also do great charity foundation work behind the scenes.

 

[Deleted member 113659]

In other news, McLaren announce a minor (15% rising to 33% max) significant share holder

@Happytalk73

McLaren Group announces new investment in McLaren Racing

McLaren Group announces new investment in McLaren Racing

www.mclaren.com

Yes, I read that too Bob. Great news as they’ve hardly had investors queuing up of late. Just shows what an improved season can lead to.

 

[Deleted member 149005]

'Delhi belly' cannot be a pleasant bug\illness but does that ailment prevent F1 drivers from racing?

Yet again you reveal your ignorance...clearly you have no idea of the demands of racing a top flight racing car.

And yes bikes are physically demanding to ride fast, which is one reason I no longer ride high performance bikes, and yes the bike riders may be made of sterner stuff but they dont have to pass the same physical tests to jump off a bike v extricating themselves from a crushed cockpit.

Oh a most bike races are less half the distance and duration of F1 races.

 

[Essexbob]

the sound of the v10 .... I heard them at monaco few years ago ( I was not avoiding tax )

 

[GeeJayW]

If being hugely talented, committed and successful makes you eligible for a knighthood then surely there would be vastly more of them around. People like Jonathan Albon, the British sky runner and obstacle course racer who has won three Skyrunner World Series. Widespread popularity in sport appears to be a major qualification.

I agree, but if they can award Bradley Wiggins a knighthood for riding a bike....

 

[Spider10]

You have an interesting take on the term 'precisely'. And on justifying it.

You miss that LH has three things going for him

- He is naturally fast - through an entire race
- he has developed good raceraft and racing intelligence
- he doesn't make mistakes

You judge his position today where he doesn't do so well - conveniently missing this is the last race of a season where he has done very well and at the same time he is a few days post-Covid. And you use this as confirmation bias for your own perspective.

Anyway - to expand - IM(NV)HO on what I think.

My position is that LH doesn't want GR in his seat today for two reasons. First is natural territorality and guarding his own status. That's what top talent in sports and arts do. Second is the complication of GR doing even better relative to VB and MB maybe under huge pressure to making a very raw and hard decision to park VB and get GR in as his teammate at any cost. Moreover the attention would all be on GR.

Reality of having GR in the car is that he gets into the same situation as FA was back in 2007. Even if he is consistently faster than GR chances are he will lose more points to his own teammate. My view is that he would still best GR but over a season GR would get stronger. A 23 race season means that if GR makes mistakes there are races to play catchup compared with previous seasons.

So does he want an 8th WDC. If he gets it with VB in the other car then unless Red Bull and MV are able to compete more then people like you will just say that he's in the fastest car. If he had GR as a teammate then the attention shifts. If he comes second in a couple of consecutive races then the pres will do to him what they do with VB - which is to shift their interviewing and questioning to how he relates to his teammates's performance.

It's also worth reminding ourselves that very poignantly LH doesn't have a contract for next year. It's mid-December! That is remarkable. So does he want the hassle.

He has also seen Nico Rosberg take an exit - and get on with his life.

I think it's 50:50 that he will retire this year. Take the 7th WDC - leave at the top - take the knighthood.

I also can't help feeling an echo of SV's words on the radio at the penultimate race in 2013 - the last year he won the WDC: "We have to remember these days, there’s no guarantee they’l l last forever!"

My feeling is that Lewis is the full package and has helped to develop the car over many years that he now dominates in. Surely its up to the other drivers and teams to work together and improve their package.
GR definitely proved he is quick in a merc and commented on how sweet it is to drive, so he can take that knowledge back to Aston and help improve his own car. Almost any of the drivers parachuted into a race winning car would improve inc. nor, sai, per etc etc. It's time to stop bashing ham and accept he's good.
I predict Merc and ham will pull out all the stops for 2021 get an 8th title, driver and team, rewrite the books and then have a major reorg for the new regs, and sir ham will retire to extreme e and other interests leaving the reckless mazepin and ver to fight it out literally.

My feeling is that Lewis is the full package and has helped to develop the car over many years that he now dominates in. Surely its up to the other drivers and teams to work together and improve their package.
GR definitely proved he is quick in a merc and commented on how sweet it is to drive, so he can take that knowledge back to Aston and help improve his own car. Almost any of the drivers parachuted into a race winning car would improve inc. nor, sai, per etc etc. It's time to stop bashing ham and accept he's good.
I predict Merc and ham will pull out all the stops for 2021 get an 8th title, driver and team, rewrite the books and then have a major reorg for the new regs, and sir ham will retire to extreme e and other interests leaving the reckless mazepin and ver to fight it out literally.

Im not bashing LH in anyway yes he is 7 times world champion but most seem to think hes perfect,never makes mistakes,etc he had the start most would die for with McLaren but ask the question why did he leave,why did he fall out with his dad if he never makes mistakes don't get me wrong i like the guy i wish him well next year ,and yes im British and own 2 MB its not the 1st time ive been in a minefield. Its all my opinion everyone has 1

 

[Darrell]

Where does Sir Philip Green live again? In terms of sportsmen/ women getting knighthoods many have been honoured for a fraction of what LH has achieved in his sport. Never mind there's always the first Olympic break dancing knighthood to look forward to.

I’m certainly no fan of fatso Green but did he get his gong before he shacked up in Monte Carlo?

 

[Darrell]

I agree, but if they can award Bradley Wiggins a knighthood for riding a bike....

I don’t think he got his gong for riding a bike otherwise I’d have one. It was for the first Brit to beat the frogs at their own game.

 

[pmcgsmurf]

Folks, please give all this silly bickering a rest.

There is a race on soon by the way.

 

[Darrell]

Folks, please give all this sill bickering a rest.

There is a race on soon by the way.

Not bickering but reasoned debate.

 

[Essexbob]

Folks, please give all this sill bickering a rest.

There is a race on soon by the way.

watch the feature with ham and rossi ...

 

[Deleted member 149005]

Greenman
Children say they are 'never going to speak to you again'

Most of them grow out of that habit.

I must have grown out of that habit

Unlike you...

 

[Deleted member 113659]

Great piece with Lando & Carlos. Danny Ric and Lando will be fun next year.

Great piece with Alonso and his Championship winning V10.