I too have some sympathy for Max, but he wasn’t really in the race apart from a lunge in Turn 6 and then Lap 58 where he was effectively gifted a win by at best totally inept decision by the race director.
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If the result was changed because of the protest about MV overtaking under the SC then that is the simplest outcome for the sport as it can be dealt with immediately.
(But that wouldn't have happened had it not been for the issue of the regulations being reinterpreted. )
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What Formula 1’s safety car restart rules say
Formula 1’s world championship showdown in Abu Dhabi ended in controversial circumstances, with Mercedes protesting the way a safety car restart was handled by the FIA.
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The decision to only allow some lapped cars to unlap themselves is unusual as Article 48.12 suggests that the message ‘LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE’ should be sent to all competitors.
The regulation is then explicit about when the race can be restarted.
It states: “Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.
“If the clerk of the course considers track conditions are unsuitable for overtaking the message "OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED" will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system “
This clause suggests that with the lapped car message having come out on lap 57, then the restart could only come at the end of the ‘following lap’- so lap 58, which was the end of the race.
True, but it would be a bit harsh. He was ahead by a very small amount for a very short time. That said, Lewis was DQ’d for 0.2mm
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I think if that happens there's a reasonable chance the Red Bull would pull out of F1. De Trick Massive $hits makes all the decisions and he's not the most tollerant person for stuff like this. He's also loaded beyond belief and would likely do it out of spite.
F1 could not afford to lose two teams, one high profile one mid table.
Don't be silly. This controversy is only a couple of hours old & already Red Bull has garnered about $100,000,000 of free publicity around the globe. People who don't even know what 'F1' stands for are hearing about Red Bull for the first time today.
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We've had that implicit threat suggested for Ferrari over the years ....
My view is that if any major team wants to pull out for reasons of sporting petulance then it's not a long term loss to the sport.
If Red Bull pulled out they'd be forgotten quickly. That's the nature of things.
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Does anyone remember an F1 win being overturned?
A rather humorous and apt comment from a snooker preofessional.
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Just heard Luca is 6-2 up against Higgins in the final but someone’s fallen over in the crowd so they’re starting again 8-8 final frame decider
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A rather humorous and apt comment from a snooker preofessional.
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Just heard Luca is 6-2 up against Higgins in the final but someone’s fallen over in the crowd so they’re starting again 8-8 final frame decider
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Yes, but not for a long time. I think James Hunt’s victory in Brands was taken away post race. Not sure if it was given back later or not.Does anyone remember an F1 win being overturned?
A rather humorous and apt comment from a snooker preofessional.
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Just heard Luca is 6-2 up against Higgins in the final but someone’s fallen over in the crowd so they’re starting again 8-8 final frame decider
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Yes.
First that comes to mind is a certain Lewis Hamilton being denied a win at Spa in 2008.
I stopped watching F1 for a season after that unjust debacle.
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1976 Spanish GP - he was disqualified on a technicality after the race - and then it was later reinstated.
1976 was a crazy year.
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Unless I've got it totally wrong, that is what pertains when the virtual safety car is deployed.
Would a VSC not have been possible today? Definitely preferable if possible.
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In the midst of all of the other issues - Sergio Perez retired from 3rd place under the SC with just three laps to go.
I don't think so - given that the Latiffi's car was sticking out on track and a recovery vehicle was required on track to remove it.
I don't think so - given that the Latiffi's car was sticking out on track and a recovery vehicle was required on track to remove it.
So the ’overtaking under the safety car’ protest has been rejected.
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What a totally unsatisfactory way to end a GP and decide the World Championship. Thanks FIA
Masi and his stewards have been making up the rules for quite a few races now, but the overtake of only the 5 lapped cars between LH and MV is shocking. Also, being pedantic, MV crept ahead of LH whilst behind the safety car. Another mistake not penalising if they are sticking rigidly to the rule book although extremely harsh.
Before Latifi's crash, Lewis had a healthy lead that he was in no way likely to relinquish. Enter the safety car and suddenly his lead is down to a few seconds, still enough. Then Masi changes his previous declaration that the lapped cars can't overtake the safety car after "discussion" with Red Bull. Next thing MV is alongside Lewis on fresh tyres and LH can't do a thing about it.
If I were Mercedes I'd want to know the reason why the decision to unlap only 5 cars was made, why all lapped cars weren't afforded the official rule and why MV wasn't penalised for going ahead of LH whilst behind the SC, albeit by a few inches. It's still against the rulebook.
Masi should fall on his sword tonight. The officiating of the rules has been a shambles under his jurisdiction and some very strange rulings have been made.
Finally, I don't begrudge MV his first WC title. He is an immensely talented and quick driver. But today was a travesty and LH was robbed whichever way you view today race.
MV may have the title, but proper fans know who the real winner was.
Masi and his stewards have been making up the rules for quite a few races now, but the overtake of only the 5 lapped cars between LH and MV is shocking. Also, being pedantic, MV crept ahead of LH whilst behind the safety car. Another mistake not penalising if they are sticking rigidly to the rule book although extremely harsh.
Before Latifi's crash, Lewis had a healthy lead that he was in no way likely to relinquish. Enter the safety car and suddenly his lead is down to a few seconds, still enough. Then Masi changes his previous declaration that the lapped cars can't overtake the safety car after "discussion" with Red Bull. Next thing MV is alongside Lewis on fresh tyres and LH can't do a thing about it.
If I were Mercedes I'd want to know the reason why the decision to unlap only 5 cars was made, why all lapped cars weren't afforded the official rule and why MV wasn't penalised for going ahead of LH whilst behind the SC, albeit by a few inches. It's still against the rulebook.
Masi should fall on his sword tonight. The officiating of the rules has been a shambles under his jurisdiction and some very strange rulings have been made.
Finally, I don't begrudge MV his first WC title. He is an immensely talented and quick driver. But today was a travesty and LH was robbed whichever way you view today race.
MV may have the title, but proper fans know who the real winner was.
Can’t see the stewards upholding MB’s other protest either. They will say that the decision made by the race director, whilst deemed to be advantageous towards Red Bull and Max, was made in the best interests of Formula One Inc.
Bottom line, it was a stitch up by an incompetent race director who should going forward, have no place in the sport.
Bottom line, it was a stitch up by an incompetent race director who should going forward, have no place in the sport.
