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You have far more experience of racing than anyone else on here. Would you care to share your opinion on whether the result should stand?
I have to admit that I was disappointed with yesterdays result.
However I no longer have to give my opinion as to whether the result should stand or not, that seems far too much like work.
So I prefer to take a stance similar to Lewis and not shout foul without all the facts to hand.

It would seem there are more than enough lawyers to do that.

Real life is often stranger than fiction. I have three sisters.
My elder sister is now married to a 60's pop star
My middle sister has been in Australia since the age of 18. Her name is Shelagh.
My youngest sister's partner is a lawyer. His name is Murphy...and they are coming for Christmas (Covid permitting)

I'm honestly not making any of this up!
 
I have to admit that I was disappointed with yesterdays result.
However I no longer have to give my opinion as to whether the result should stand or not, that seems far too much like work.
So I prefer to take a stance similar to Lewis and not shout foul without all the facts to hand.

It would seem there are more than enough lawyers to do that.

Real life is often stranger than fiction. I have three sisters.
My elder sister is now married to a 60's pop star
My middle sister has been in Australia since the age of 18. Her name is Shelagh.
My youngest sister's partner is a lawyer. His name is Murphy...and they are coming for Christmas (Covid permitting)

I'm honestly not making any of this up!
Gotta ask, which Pop Star? :)
 
The official explanations Read the one on the right first
Masi's rush to resume racing and finish under green flag conditions is completely at odds with what happened at Spa. Verstappen benefited handsomely from both. At best, he should have only benefitted from one - but expecting consistency in F1 governance is a fool's errand these days.
 
My .02:

Hamilton actually won the WDC, but it was awarded to Verstappen anyway. Both drivers were head and shoulders above the rest of the field and either driver deserved to win the title this year, but the way it was ultimately decided stinks.

F1 has managed to tie itself in knots with an ever expanding collection of byzantine rules which are "interpreted" in whichever way suits the media organisation that funds it. As such, it is very obviously broken.

I sincerely hope that Michael Masi is fired due to repeated displays of incompetence. If he is not, F1 stands little chance of recovery.
 
I still don’t understand how Hamilton got away with cutting the corner on the first lap, if it had been anybody else they would have had to give the place back. Max was ahead going into the corner and he managed to stay on track.Hamilton cuts the corner and gets away with gaining an advantage.
 
With all the gravel traps removed at circuits and now large tarmac run off areas, this encourages the driving style we see today, there is no penalty for running wide or trying to brake later than is possible and then turn in and claim you are blocked or run off the road. That for me has to change.

Yesterday was just bizarre, Red Bull didnt have the best car to win the race and luck played a huge part in the result. It wont be overturned, history will show that Max won the championship, looking forward to George Russel in a Merc next year.
 
My .02:

Hamilton actually won the WDC, but it was awarded to Verstappen anyway. Both drivers were head and shoulders above the rest of the field and either driver deserved to win the title this year, but the way it was ultimately decided stinks.

F1 has managed to tie itself in knots with an ever expanding collection of byzantine rules which are "interpreted" in whichever way suits the media organisation that funds it. As such, it is very obviously broken.

I sincerely hope that Michael Masi is fired due to repeated displays of incompetence. If he is not, F1 stands little chance of recovery.

Liberty Media and Netflix seem to have wanted "a race" of one lap, when the rules say 58.

With one driver on old and hard tyres and the other on new, soft tyres. That was never an equal contest, even if LH was in the following car.
 
I still don’t understand how Hamilton got away with cutting the corner on the first lap, if it had been anybody else they would have had to give the place back. Max was ahead going into the corner and he managed to stay on track.Hamilton cuts the corner and gets away with gaining an advantage.
Because MV went into the corner so deep there was nowhere else for LH to go if he was to avoid a crash.

MV forced LH off, the race director said so.
 
I still don’t understand how Hamilton got away with cutting the corner on the first lap, if it had been anybody else they would have had to give the place back. Max was ahead going into the corner and he managed to stay on track.Hamilton cuts the corner and gets away with gaining an advantage.
Because the stewards agreed with Mercedes that Hamilton only left the track to avoid a collision with Verstappen who had left him little option other than levitating himself out of Verstappen's trajectory.
 
I still don’t understand how Hamilton got away with cutting the corner on the first lap, if it had been anybody else they would have had to give the place back. Max was ahead going into the corner and he managed to stay on track.Hamilton cuts the corner and gets away with gaining an advantage.
I think Hamilton should have given Max as much room as permitted but kept his car on the track at the limit of the white line. Then there would have been a massive smash as Max had nowhere to go having over cooked it. It's very Senna like which is ironically Lewis's hero.
Assuming both cars were then out (re: Monza) and the stewards had applied their penalty as threatened as the beginning of the race, the DWC would have been decided on the first lap and if that had meant Max lost, well he shouldn't have been so reckless on the last race of the season, despite his otherwise driving brilliance.
The stewards knew this, and so I suspect factored it into the decision. They have the data and every replay available; we do not.

Another alternative is that it is accepted that cars flinging it dangerously up the inside of a turn is okay, and the driver on the outside must take all evasive action, run themselves off the race track including any risks (humps, gravel, wall) and then if they don't come out worse off, take a penalty as well. I believe Max has the talent to win without resorting to this, and I will look forward to seeing him mature and get better with age.

I've been hoping (waiting) for Max to get a title on the board for a while, but the way this happened yesterday doesn't feel like the "sportman's victory" which he, or any other winner, deserves. His win will always be tainted. As soon as that crash happened I was shouting at the TV to red flag the race as anything else just seems like a massive fix. Both Max and Lewis have lost out here in my view.

The whole debacle has turned the pinnacle of motor sport into a farce of a soap opera/"reality" show.
 
Because the stewards agreed with Mercedes that Hamilton only left the track to avoid a collision with Verstappen who had left him little option other than levitating himself out of Verstappen's trajectory.
And LH slowed to allow MV to make up the time LH gained in cutting the corner (only done to avoid a collision), so keeping the order before the corner. LH then pulled out a lead that MV couldn't keep up.
 
There is another phenomenon which has tested the safety regulations to their inadequate limits in recent seasons which has often skewed race results for all parties involved- and that is the "pay to drive f1" phenomenon.
These drivers are easy to spot-- they are always at the back of the grid, they rarely survive practice/qualifying without crashing and frequently crash in the race itself often taking out another car in the process and causing a safety car to be deployed. They are there because they or their patrons have effectively "bought the seat" and not thro ability. Time perhaps to weed these drivers out, either by their racing results in lower formula qualification, limits to no of crashes in a season in practice/qualy/race, or a "fit to drive in the race" cut off point in qualifying.
 
There is another phenomenon which has tested the safety regulations to their inadequate limits in recent seasons which has often skewed race results for all parties involved- and that is the "pay to drive f1" phenomenon.
These drivers are easy to spot-- they are always at the back of the grid, they rarely survive practice/qualifying without crashing and frequently crash in the race itself often taking out another car in the process and causing a safety car to be deployed. They are there because they or their patrons have effectively "bought the seat" and not thro ability. Time perhaps to weed these drivers out, either by their racing results in lower formula qualification, limits to no of crashes in a season in practice/qualy/race, or a "fit to drive in the race" cut off point in qualifying.
Tend to agree, but how did they get their F1 super-licence? The top woman driver, Jaime Chadwick, apparently still hasn’t enough points to get one, so they must have had some success somewhere.
 
............His win will always be tainted............
Only from a LH supporter’s perspective. Over the years LH had many decisions go his way which non LH fanboys would have judged to be unfair on the other driver.

IMO, LH (although a fantastic driver) has been incredibly fortunate to have (by a good measure) the most dominant car for a long time. It is great to finally see some other manufacturers giving MB a run for their money.

I’m a life long Ferrari supporter so MV or LH.........who cares....
 

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