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Formula One 2018 - General Thread

Can you explain why Jay?
I'll have a go tomorrow. Just got in from having a few beers so maybe not in the best shape for a useful discussion. However, the life cycle analysis for hybrid drivelines is dubious at best. Including hybrid in F1 is a sop to the environmentalist lobby and adds unnecessary complexity, weight and cost. All IMHO of course.
 
Would we have the Maclaren P1, LaFerrari or the Porsche 918 without F1 insisting on hybrid technology ?

I don't think technical regulation in F1 has any relevance to them.

So the answer is yes.

(We had Tesla before Formula E.)
 
I genuinely don’t know when development in both areas began.
Well I was having guys poached from me by Mercedes in Brixworth as early is 2011, so they were the ones who realised first what huge resource the new hybrid F1 cars were going to take....and they were right!
So it's about then it O'Kers:rolleyes:
 
So much of the regulatory framework in F1 is borne out of the “owners” wanting to be seen to be doing “good” things in each respective country/government that the sport wishes to be involved in.

Cars dressed as Fag Packets vomiting unburned fuel from between the rubber destroying tyres, that park up next to half naked teenage? Nymphs, does not make a jot of difference to the racing we see. This is because the rules, are the rules and must be adhered to by one and all, at the same time.

Likewise some of the technology (rules) most teams refer to them as restrictions!!! Stifle “good racing” by stifling innovation at source. Even the genesis of an idea will get aborted in infancy if another team gets any knowledge it is something they do not have on their car/rig/team.

“Let’s go racing” paints a mental picture that has no place in modern F1 who’s cars could not be driven down to the shops or around the M25. Yet some want us to believe that F1 provides the platform for future motoring?

It is just to complex. This is before we get past the index of the book of rules the teams have been sent out the room and lawyers and designers brought into the room. That should tell us all something about today’s F1 state.

I grew up surrounded by F1 and was an avid spectator / attendee at races or (when I couldn’t get to the race) watching on telly. I loved it then and fought a long battle before accepting the inevitable and (for so long unthinkable) I was falling asleep during the racing. That my friends is the hard fact. When the audience falls asleep and the play is not about insomnia? It’s time to bring in a new scriptwriter.


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Would be interesting to see how quick Lewis would be in an unrestricted Mercedes...
 
This is not the first time sports cars have been quicker than F1 cars!
Last time both were actually adhering to their current regulations.
In March 1992 I took the Toyota TS010 to Monza for a test session and Geoff Lees lapped the car in 1.24.3 which was inside Senna's F1 lap record of the time.
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The car was powered by a very similar V10 3.5 litre engine as the F1 cars, but was 50% heavier:confused:
So how did that work?
The answer is that F1 cars had to have 'flat bottoms' at the time and the sports cars were still allowed 'ground effect'
Add to that the 18" rims of the Toyota and you have a stable aero platform.
Bernie had mandated that these car should have the same engines as FI to bring more manufactures on board the F1 supply train, and in another great example of unintended consequences, hadn't foreseen that the sports cars could end up quicker than 'his' F1 cars.
Bernie therefore killed off Group 'C' cars the following year......:(
 
Both Mercedes seemed to get a 2nd wind towards the end which was something but you never really believed they would be able to overtake and that's what makes it dull.
 
Mercedes seem to require clean air to generate enough downforce to switch on their tyres. At the start if caught in traffic this leaves them at a disadvantage. As the race progresses and the field thins out perhaps they begin to regain enough downforce to switch those tyres on only to lose it again as they get stuck in pockets of traffic be-it rival cars or backmarkers???It seems if they start from the front row of the grid they can drive away from the field but if not -----???
 
Well we all know now why the Mercedes cars did not have their new engines,they were held up at the factory having their emission cheats removed.
 
Good summary here from SkySport F1
These tyres are extremely temperature sensitive either side of their operating window; just slightly too cool or too hot and they lose whole chunks of performance. The Ferrari - and the Red Bull - can evidently keep them in this narrow window more easily than can the Mercedes - and this is almost certainly driven by their respective aerodynamic philosophies as the cars work in very different ways aerodynamically.

That was the case last year too but the Mercedes team quickly understood how to operate its car very effectively to keep it in that narrower operating band. This year that tyre temperature sensitivity has increased - partly because of the higher fuel consumption everyone is suffering. The cars are using more fuel this year for two principal reasons: a) they have more downforce which means more drag and more time at full throttle and b) the seasonal three-engine limit (down from four) means the engines are being run slightly richer in order to protect them. Engines can be run closer to the detonation threshold with a weaker mixture (less fuel/more air) to give more power, but it extracts a cost in durability.



When drivers have to back off to bring fuel consumption on schedule, it can bring a further problem in taking the tyres below their temperature window threshold. If the tyre has not much tread left, it can be impossible to then bring it back up to temperature. This, of course, does not explain Merc's tyre difficulties in qualifying, but could be contributing to it in the race.
 
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Interesting. And we think Ferrari are favoured in F1. Introducing hybrid design into racing has a lot to answer for when the winner is almost pre-determined.
 
Interesting. And we think Ferrari are favoured in F1. Introducing hybrid design into racing has a lot to answer for when the winner is almost pre-determined.
Porsche and Audi were also LMP1 hybrids, but nether are there this year. Toyota is last man standing in the category.
 
Interesting. And we think Ferrari are favoured in F1. Introducing hybrid design into racing has a lot to answer for when the winner is almost pre-determined.

While the hybrids are on much lower fuel levels ..... yes. It basically stinks of the word 'FIX'.

F1 for all it's flaws suddenly looks like it is delicately cleaned and pure after being washed in Fairy and has gone all fluffy and cute.
 

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