Hmm... clearly Lewis was about as happy as Valterri. There's a bean counter somewhere that is over the moon.
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I assuage my sympathy for Bottas with the thought he is getting paid £7 million per annum to come second.
If they had let them race chances are Hamilton would have caught him by the end of the race and they might have taken each other out [ there is history!
] leaving Vettel with a clear 25 points thus halving Lewis' lead at a stroke. Factor in another DNF for Hamilton and its all to play for again. Hamilton "won" the race because he had already won quite a few GP's this year where no team orders were employed.
Not good for racing fans but tactically a sound move by the Mercedes Team.
If they had let them race chances are Hamilton would have caught him by the end of the race and they might have taken each other out [ there is history!
] leaving Vettel with a clear 25 points thus halving Lewis' lead at a stroke. Factor in another DNF for Hamilton and its all to play for again. Hamilton "won" the race because he had already won quite a few GP's this year where no team orders were employed.Not good for racing fans but tactically a sound move by the Mercedes Team.
I don't think Lewis took any real satisfaction from the result, you always want to feel you won the race fair and square, I was never happy if a fellow competitor had a gear failure on his boat, which curtailed the battle we were engaged in, not the same satisfaction as coming out on top after a good scrap, in fact I've enjoyed some races where I came second more than the easy wins.
The result was 'not ideal' (in race driver speak) for race drivers
But we now cannot undo what has been done. As Wolff says (somewhat sheepishly), "I would prefer to be a baddie tonight than an idiot at the end of the season"
A fair summation of the situation.
But we now cannot undo what has been done. As Wolff says (somewhat sheepishly
), "I would prefer to be a baddie tonight than an idiot at the end of the season"A fair summation of the situation.
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Would I be correct in thinking VB would be awarded the winner's bonus?
Something DC alluded to happening in his day?
Something DC alluded to happening in his day?
I guess very few people will ever know the answer to that!.....other than tax officials and those directly concerned.
I wonder if people that had a flutter on Valterri for the win will get their money back? Shouldn't be possible to place a bet on an individual's result if the teams are going to effectively contrive the outcome.
Clearly very awkward at the end of the race for Hamilton he even offered the his first place cup to Bottas, its not so much racing nowadays its tactics from the moment the seasons starts and the driver against driver comes in as second fiddle, with 5 races still to go maybe towards the end we may see some "free racing" with minimal input as the points and the prizes will in the bag so to speak.
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I remember earlier in the season when VB was given back the place and everyone was questioning whether or not Mercedes would rue that decision as the season came to a close, and on this occasion I tend to agree with DC that Toto did his job and made the right management decision in the circumstances.As Wolff says (somewhat sheepishly
A fair summation of the situation.
Mercedes have (justifiably) earned a reputation for letting their drivers race - unlike a certain other long-standing team - which makes yesterday's decision look worse than it was. Had it been Kimi ordered to give up a place for SV, nobody would have batted an eyelid.
Yes, a different year, mid, not end of season and much fewer points delta.
Enough to justify a different decision.
Oh, and SV said as much that he would fully expect the same treatment if he were Lewis!
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I assuage my sympathy for Bottas with the thought he is getting paid £7 million per annum to come second.
If they had let them race chances are Hamilton would have caught him by the end of the race and they might have taken each other out [ there is history!
Not good for racing fans but tactically a sound move by the Mercedes Team.
I believe that they are paying LH a lot more than £7m so he should be able to win on his own, and not need team orders!!!
I used to be a massive F1 fan. No longer bother. Lewis (although I cannot stand the man) is an awesome driver but he would not be where he is if he did not have a Mercedes.
It is too much about the car and team orders etc and not the driver anymore.
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Such punters should get out to the Opera more often where they would learn the Wagnerian maxim "it aint over till the fat lady sings"
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Looking forward to Japan this weekend.
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Team orders are legal. So punter has no recourse if the team switch drivers to get the result that the team wants.
The odds on VB winning should lengthen considerably to reflect this additional factor if the punters and the bookmakers are taking this into account.
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I wonder what Liberty Media's new betting partnership will think of contrived results?
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When Coulthard was pulling over to let Hakkinen past he was asked this very question. His reply was short and sweet: More fool them.
Indeed, and I didn't suggest team orders were or should be illegal. Anyone betting on the 'B' driver to win should (in addition to having their head read) should at least be offered the corresponding odds by the bookie.
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It's down to the punters to judge the value. The bookmakers can see if the punters are reluctant and decide to reprice accordingly.
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Hamilton is paid approximately £ 20 million per annum so far he has won 8 GP's this year. So far that's £2.5 million per GP
Constructors prize money for winning or being placed is "structured"
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Formula 1 Prize Money 2018 - How much do F1 drivers and teams earn?
Constructors prize money for winning or being placed is "structured"
Formula 1 teams' prize money payments for 2018 revealed · RaceFans
Formula 1 Prize Money 2018 - How much do F1 drivers and teams earn?
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