Had some pri*k crash into me

[glojo]

Hi KLP,
I have read this whole thread and I would take note of what PLODD has said. I found it hard to believe just how negligent these two so called Police officers were, but unfortunately it is getting more common, particularly in one Police Service.

It is easy to load the gun for someone and then ask them to pull the trigger, but I would not be happy if I were in your situation..

How certain are you that the assailants voice was recorded on your 999 call? Did you actually say there was a male driver? I wonder how long these tapes are kept?

Once you made the allegations to the Police then they have a duty to investigate it. I don't care what flannel this senior officer gave you, the bottom line is they are asking you to make a false insurance claim?? It is up to you and your conscious what you do, and what you say, but the conduct of the Police is unforgiveable and to allow it to happen is something you need to give a lot of thought.

Thank goodness you were not badly hurt, but imagine if this thug had a gun? Next time just get the number and let them go, life is to short.

Good luck with the claim,
Take care,

John

 

[C43AMG]

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Anyway my Corsa has been replaced with another corsa!! But at least this is a SXI and is a twinport, still doesn't move though!![/QUOTE]


You have been spoilt!!!

 

[Alfie]

I went down to my local police office for the producer. I explained my unhappiness at the way i was dealt with by the officers that attended the scene. I was told to wait in a room at one side and was joined by one of the senior officers. I explained to him the full situationan, he took notes and rang Acton Police station to review the notes. I must have been waiting over an hour!

Anyway to cut a long story short, both police officers failed to make any notes of any alleged assault or any form of iron bar!! He also stated that they failed to get the name of the the bloke! So basically there's little that can be done, and i would have to launch a formal investigation to have this dealt with. Basically they have no clue who the driver was, and the only way they would be able to get his details is through his girlfriend! Its up to her to supply the details, he recons its unlikely for her to co-operate.

He gave me a few forms to fill in if i wanted to take it further, but advised not to as it would be a difficult scenario to get my money back from the 3rd party for repairs to my vehicle. He agrees with the fact i have been dealt with unfairly and recommends i do pursue matters further but it may not be in my best interest.

The address i have is for this chaps girlfriend who lives in Twickenham! He obviously lives local but i don't have his details, a right shame!!!!

Anyway my Corsa has been replaced with another corsa!! But at least this is a SXI and is a twinport, still doesn't move though!!

Thats appauling. Report the assualt and she will be hauled up to say who it was! This all sounds a bit like covering each others backs on the part of the officers involved! How can they fail to take notes! Utter utter incompetance.

My brothers live in Twickenham/Hampton and Teddington, they might know her/him!

 

[Sp!ke]

Agree with the above - absolute incompetence all round.

John makes a good point regarding the fact that all the officers so far have basically suggested you to make a fraudulent insurance claim. So on top of incompetent actions all round, its now criminal. Be careful when taking the official complaint route though. I did the same some years ago (with Twickenham Police Station as it happens) and was Lent on quite heavily to drop the proceedings.

PM me the Twickenham address, I am local but also have access to other records that might reveal a name.

As a side note, there may of course be other reasons why they are leaving this guy alone such as waiting to get him on more substantial charges. The whole affair does seem very odd though.

 

[machasm]

I went down to my local police office for the producer. I explained my unhappiness at the way i was dealt with by the officers that attended the scene. I was told to wait in a room at one side and was joined by one of the senior officers. I explained to him the full situationan, he took notes and rang Acton Police station to review the notes. I must have been waiting over an hour!

Anyway to cut a long story short, both police officers failed to make any notes of any alleged assault or any form of iron bar!! He also stated that they failed to get the name of the the bloke! So basically there's little that can be done, and i would have to launch a formal investigation to have this dealt with. Basically they have no clue who the driver was, and the only way they would be able to get his details is through his girlfriend! Its up to her to supply the details, he recons its unlikely for her to co-operate.

He gave me a few forms to fill in if i wanted to take it further, but advised not to as it would be a difficult scenario to get my money back from the 3rd party for repairs to my vehicle. He agrees with the fact i have been dealt with unfairly and recommends i do pursue matters further but it may not be in my best interest.

The address i have is for this chaps girlfriend who lives in Twickenham! He obviously lives local but i don't have his details, a right shame!!!!

Anyway my Corsa has been replaced with another corsa!! But at least this is a SXI and is a twinport, still doesn't move though!!

What the f**k???
I am beginning to think that the police (if they even deserve to be called that) are involved in one big conspiracy. What do you need to become a policeman? A criminal record??
Sp!ke says that he was 'lent on quite heavily' whose side are these guys on?
I am more angry at the way you are being treated by the p**s than you were by the thug!
If this is the normal response that the police take to such an apalling act then its no wonder most people shy away from making any form of complaint.
It almost sounds to me like the police are being racist!
There has to be a way that you can be vindicated.
Mac.

 

[Rumble]

Is the settlement figure what you expected, is it the 'market value' if not then it should be at a minimum, also you should be able to claim uninsured losses from the garage as it was their responsibility. For example if you've taken a day off you should be able to claim for that also any travelling expenses etc (as long as its reasonable and out of pocket).

As for the attitude of the police I think what it is, is that the police statistics are reduced if no complaint is made, looks good for the area and police force's targets. Also the most likely reason is that for the lazy officers involved its less paperwork.

Seriously though i can't believe all police officers are like this, maybe the 'force' in general lets the lazy few dictate the attitude and really would prefer to do better. A bit like, if hes not pulling his weight why should I. Maybe officers should carry recording equipment whenever they are on duty and dealing with an incident then if a complaint is received by anyone it would only be a matter of reviewing the tape. Funding for this should come out of the salary of the police officer that is negligent or from the person that makes the false accusation.

 

[frog1520]

If you make allege an assault and have the police investigate it, they could ask the gf for this blokes details. If she wont give it, isnt she perverting the course of justice?

The whole thing - the original incident and the police handling - is bloody disgraceful. Sometimes people are such p***ks, you really have to wonder what makes them tick.

Good luck with it mate. Enjoy the corsa...

 

[glojo]

I am trying to play devil's advocate over the conduct of the Police, the thug is a waste of space and should be locked away.

I have just read that the Metropolitan Police tried several times to prosecute someone!! , but the CPS continually refused to charge them. I wonder if this new regime is what is undermining the morale, work ethic of the Police. It must be sole destroying to arrest someone, prepare a file only to have someone say 'Go away'. Perhaps the first half a dozen times would not effect you, but if this continually happened then perhaps the atitude of 'Whats the point' creeps in???

I have expressed my opinion about the conduct of these officers and in all fairness to them we have only heard one side, but, the side I have heard does the whole of the Police service a huge disfavour. If KLP had not been capable of defending himself then no doubt there would be a prosection?

I hate with a vengeance this talk of racial misbehaviour, it certainly did not come from the author of the thread and I cannot see any need to mention it. A driver was rammed from behind, the guilty party drove off, there was then a short car journey followed by an assault, then a cover-up over who was driving.

A complaint was informally made to the Police... it then sounds that the complainant was in the nicest possible way, talked out of making it official??

I suppose it is only natural that after a couple of days we tend to cool down and think things over, that is human nature.

What's the point??

Sadly that is just the atitude of the attending Police Officers that we are all so annoyed about.

I believe you deserve better, we all deserve a better service from our local constabulary, the reputation of the British bobby was hard earned and it is sad to see it failing so badly.

Regards,
John

 

[Lazarus]

KLP, if I were you, I'd get in touch with these guys:

IPCC or call: 08453 002 002

- the officers attending the incident do not have a leg to stand on.

Simply disgusting.

Don't suppose you got their numbers?

Laz.
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[machasm]

It must be sole destroying to arrest someone, prepare a file only to have someone say 'Go away'. Perhaps the first half a dozen times would not effect you, but if this continually happened then perhaps the atitude of 'Whats the point' creeps in???

We all get this to some degree in all of our jobs.
How many times I have had to prepare proposals for new IT systems only to be told that "we don't have the budget this year" or "This is not in our interests yet" Doesn't stop me from preparing further ones in the future as it IS part of my job. Whether the powers that be act on them or not is not up for me to decide just as it should not be up to the police to decide that it isn't worth documenting.

Mac.

 

[Lazarus]

We all get this to some degree in all of our jobs.
How many times I have had to prepare proposals for new IT systems only to be told that "we don't have the budget this year" or "This is not in our interests yet" Doesn't stop me from preparing further ones in the future as it IS part of my job. Whether the powers that be act on them or not is not up for me to decide just as it should not be up to the police to decide that it isn't worth documenting.

Have you thought about a job in consulting?

 

[machasm]

Have you thought about a job in consulting?

I jacked my job in and now run my own IT company.
Best move I ever made.
Mac.

 

[Lazarus]

I jacked my job in and now run my own IT company.
Best move I ever made.
Mac.

Know what you mean...

 

[splang]

this is where you need to look - similar to above...

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/index/complainants/appeal/non_recording.htm

Hope to help,

Steve

 

[blassberg]

search on Ask for "Police Ignorance"

http://www.ask.com/web?q=police+ignorance

top return is

"become a police officer"

 

[glojo]

We all get this to some degree in all of our jobs.
How many times I have had to prepare proposals for new IT systems only to be told that "we don't have the budget this year" or "This is not in our interests yet" Doesn't stop me from preparing further ones in the future as it IS part of my job. Whether the powers that be act on them or not is not up for me to decide just as it should not be up to the police to decide that it isn't worth documenting.

Mac.

I totally agree and it is surely that 'degree'. I am NOT defending these characters, but if you submitted report after report and they were all dismissed out of hand without you being able to argue your point, then I would very politely suggest that it would take a zombie to tolerate it.

I am told that if the duty CPS representative doesn't believe there is a NINETY percent chance of an actual CONVICTION then they will not prosecute. (The file is binned) I must emphasis this is the CPS that makes these decisions and not the Police. My personal opinion is that this is digusting, it tends to get the CPS trying to do the defence lawyers job as well as their own. I have no knowledge of how the system works in the Metropolitan area but down here there is always a representative for the CPS on duty at every Custody Centre.

I have heard of cases where a single Police Officer has been assaulted by a group of thugs and the CPS refused to prosecute simply because it was the word of three drunken violent yobs against that of the arresting Police Officer????

Again I am NOT defending the two officers. They should have investigated the allegations to the best of their ability and if this was their best, then quite clearly they are in the wrong profession. Prepare the file and let the CPS do their thing.

John

 

[graeme73s]

Glad your OK and as per all on here I am totally disgusted with the lack of support from the police. If he'd have managed to lump you over the head with the iron bar I guess they would have been forced to arrest him.
Irrespective of the police being unable at that time to determine who was the driver of the vehicle the fact was he was carrying an iron bar and that unless I am mistaken is clearly an offensive weapon.
I am also disgusted that the police gave this ars*h**e your name and address. This I agree puts you in an impossible position as to wether or not you proceed with trying to force the police into prosecuting this lunatic.
As it stands at the moment you have a sore arm, sore neck and back and a claim on her insurance. All of which will heal and hopefully be resolved shortly.
On the flip side there is a strong argument for trying to prevent this ars*h**le carrying out a similar attack on someone that is less fortunate in being able to defend themselves as you are. But this opens a can off worms as he has your home address. Good luck in making your decision.
Lets just hope that old saying of "what goes around comes around" is true.

 

[SilverSaloon]

only just read this story, wow what a shocker and i'm really sorry to hear it.

like others have said, i'm glad your ok.

cant believe that the police didnt take this further - the guy had a metal bar for heavens sake - if maniacs can go about their business in this manner and police simply ignore it, none of us are truly safe.

i too would be really worried about this idiot having your home address - i cant believe the cops gave it to him! that makes taking it any further very difficult. he is obviously a nutcase and if you took it further i fear him & his mates would definatly pay you a visit...

so as much as i hate to see scum like this "get away with it", i'd walk away and leave it, otherwise things could quite easily spiral out of control with devastating affects.

hopefully the guy will get what he deserves one day - he will eventually....

i am pleased that you gave as good as you got though.... if i were in that situation, like many others i fear, i would probably have been beaten up