Hill start with Tip auto?

[Donza]

How do i perform a hill start in a tip auto w211?

First time ever driving an auto.

Do i apply the break. Leave it in "D" and then start accelerating.

Or put it in "P", foot on brake, move shifter to "D" and then accelerate?

Another question. What is the point of having "N, When you have a "P"?

Does anyone use "N" here?

Damn i gotta practice...

 

[davidjpowell]

Put foot on brake. Put in D, push power and go. Take handbrake off whenever you like.

I use N at traffic lights as my drivers pocket rattles when being held in D. Can't wait for the next service as that is at the top of the list!

David

 

[television]

How do i perform a hill start in a tip auto w211?

First time ever driving an auto.

Do i apply the break. Leave it in "D" and then start accelerating.

Or put it in "P", foot on brake, move shifter to "D" and then accelerate?

Another question. What is the point of having "N, When you have a "P"?

Does anyone use "N" here?

Damn i gotta practice...

When you are used to it you will use both feet, when you are stopping on a hill, use the normal right foot and while stop change feet and hold it on the left foot, then when ready to go just pick it up on the throttle and away you go. After awhile you can practice braking with the left foot. At first you will over brake as you foot is not used to this action. I have used two feet for 50 years,.

when you go back to a manual you will wonder why it keeps stalling

Leave the car in D at all times is normal, some cars will not roll back on a hill, do try it.

With a W setting the car will never roll back once warmed up.

The difference between N and P is that in the parking pawl is engaged and the car will not move in any direction. N is neutral and the car will roll or can be pushed

 

[TomTanderson]

My 211 will hold on a pretty steep hill in D, when I want to move off I just accelerate.

Learn to use the HOLD function on your gearbox - it is your best friend . The effect is the same as putting the car in P but you are still in D; when you are ready to move off you just accelerate, no shifting to P and back to D.

 

[glojo]

Depending on the situation you might want to consider one of the SBC options.

Reading the manual for these car's is a challenge but well worth it as there are numerous options that you will have never heard of.

Good luck with the new car and hopefuly you will have many miles of happy motoring.

Regards
John

 

[Diesel Benz]

The new W211 and the W221 have a hill start assist feature, the car brakes for a second or so after releasing the brake. Honestly don't remember if the pre-face-lift with SBC has this?

 

[glojo]

Honestly don't remember if the pre-face-lift with SBC has this?

I think there is a clue in the previous post! Take your pick with either SBC Hold or Stop.

Regards
John

 

[Diesel Benz]

I think there is a clue in the previous post! Take your pick with either SBC Hold or Stop.

Regards
John

I'm sorry but I'm slow with the above, might be that I'm not the only one and would then prefer a more clear response.

If you are referring to the exact previous post, it did not state "either SBC Hold or Stop" being the options. On the contrary, it explained that there are numerous features that the driver might not be aware of.

Was the above intended to be interpreted as if Hill assist is not available on the pre-face-lift W211 (noting that hill assist is different from SBC Hold and different from SBC Stop)? I assume so but I was not able to conclude this from the comment "Depending on the situation you might want to consider one of the SBC options." This does not state that there are two, it just defines there are more than one.

I'm a few thousand kilometres from my car, cannot try it myself, sorry about that.

 

[television]

The feature put up by John is in the menu, it enables you to press the brake pedal where the car will remain braked even when you take your foot off the pedal, touching the accelerator releases the brake

 

[Satch]

The feature put up by John is in the menu, it enables you to press the brake pedal where the car will remain braked even when you take your foot off the pedal, touching the accelerator releases the brake

Indeed. SBC Stop is the feature whereby lifting off the accelerator at speeds up to about 40mph (when it disengages) results in the car auto braking to a stop. Thus possible to drive the car in traffic entirely off the accelerator pedal. Useful in creeping traffic but otherwise you either love it or loathe it.

Engaging SBC Stop whilst stationary results in the same immediate brake hold effect as SBC Hold.

 

[jadefox]

Also, if you're not used to driving an Automatic, or you don't know, you don't actually have to use the Parking Brake (Handbrake). When you park up just stick it in 'P' and there is no real need to apply the parking brake.

I'm not sure how well this stands true if you parks on a very steep driveway or hill (I would apply it then most probably), but I have never used it on normal gradients and have probably only used the handbrake a couple of times in the last 5 years!

On the 'N' issue, I also normally use that at traffic lights to save the car creeping and fighting the brake. Its just the same in a manual as taking the car out of gear rather than sitting there with your foot on the clutch and brake!

 

[smillion]

On a very steep hill I engage "W" on the auto box (as opposed to "S") as this stops the car rolling back when in D-Drive (which is does in "S").

I have a 2002 W211 if thats relevant - don't think I have an SBC hold feature................

 

[jeremytaylor]

Donza, as you are new to autos, I would suggest just putting it in D and leaving it there! Hold on foot brake on the level, uphill and downhill. There is 'creep' in the autobox so when you take your foot off the brake you won't roll back.

You only really need to use the footbrake when you are parking.

As Malcom says, after a while you might want to experiment with left foot braking, although personally I find this uncomfortable and never bother. If you are considerate to those behind you, you will get into the practice of not holding the car on the brake pedal in traffic, but applying the parking brake and slipping the 'box into N if you know you are going to be there for a while.

 

[Satch]

On a very steep hill I engage "W" on the auto box (as opposed to "S") as this stops the car rolling back when in D-Drive (which is does in "S").

I have a 2002 W211 if thats relevant - don't think I have an SBC hold feature................

IIRC introduced early 2003

 

[DieselE]

On a very steep hill I engage "W" on the auto box (as opposed to "S") as this stops the car rolling back when in D-Drive (which is does in "S").

I have a 2002 W211 if thats relevant - don't think I have an SBC hold feature................

Not arguing with you but I've yet to find a hill where mine rolls back (if it's facing uphill) and I never use "W". Maybe the box has changed since the very early models.

 

[television]

Not arguing with you but I've yet to find a hill where mine rolls back (if it's facing uphill) and I never use "W". Maybe the box has changed since the very early models.

This is a feature of the 722.6 box, Dieselman pointed this out a few months back about the W setting and not rolling back, though mine rolls back in W when cold, but perfectly locked up when warm, it a handy thing in hilly towns as you do not need you foot on the brake on hill going up, but you do need the foot going down to stop creep etc.

 

[st4]

Apparently though, you should leave the car in D at all times when driving, even when stopped.

By moving from P to D (say at traffic lights) you add wear and tear to the gear box, more so than holding on the brake. It may also slow you up if you need to take off in an emergcy as you are out of gear.

I am going by what an IAM instructor told me to do, leave in D, hold on brake unless I am going to be turning the engine off. I can see the merits of the left foot approach, but practice 1st.

 

[mr. shr]

I have a 2002 W211 if thats relevant - don't think I have an SBC hold feature................

I thought ALL W211's had SBC-Hold, even right from the very begining??

 

[television]

Not arguing with you but I've yet to find a hill where mine rolls back (if it's facing uphill) and I never use "W". Maybe the box has changed since the very early models.

This is almost a some do and some dont, I put it down to the idle speed untill dieselman told me there was a sprag clutch in W.
A difference of 25rpm can make the car roll back or not when not using W

 

[Diesel Benz]

I thought ALL W211's had SBC-Hold, even right from the very begining??

No, probably all S211 cars did but not the first W211 ones.