idiot ebay buyer!!!!

[djflip]

I really hate people who mess you about, its happened so many times, but i supose its the danger of using Ebay.
Every idiot on the planet has access to it!

 

[Smiley]

it is the same as the investors adage "only invest in a company that can be run by an idiot" because one day it probably will be.

 

[Ted]

Oh, shame! :}

 

[flango]

I think this was not a good advert or transaction, If I put myself in the buyers shoes and take the legal standpoint, If she has won the auction then the car is sold as seen if when she comes to pick it up and it has tax on it that is included in the final purchase price, likewise if the tax disc had been removed for surrender the final price would have still been the same.

To ask extra for the tax after the auction has ended is against e bay rules, the tax position should have been made clear from the start and in the advert, I thought most adverts state "Taxed & Tested"?

The Motorsport outfit I work for had a very similar thing, they sold breakdown van which originally had a towbar on it, the towbar was removed prior to the sale and the advert photo's did not show it. When the buyer came to collect he claimed the towbar had been removed after the auction ended and wanted it refitted as it was part of the deal. On taking legal advice they were advised there is no way they could prove it was removed before the car was advertised and the easiest way out to avoid any legal action was to refit it and do the original deal.

Just the joys of dealing on Flea Bay I'm afraid buyers have all the power and sellers have litttle redress.

 

[Rose Chap]

Given the hassle involved in selling bangers like this, not to mention the potential unsavoury characters who will find out where you live where otherwise they wouldn't, I'd have done the deal on the tax, just to get rid of it and send the person away happy.

Moreover, if I was buying a sub <£1000 car, I'd expect there to be at least some tax on it, though it would be one of the things I'd check, along with the time until the next MOT.

Leaving that aside, if this buyer can spend a maximum of £750 and is buying a W124 then I feel sorry for the next owner, that is going to be one seriously ill-maintained car!

 

[mikeouk]

I think this was not a good advert or transaction, If I put myself in the buyers shoes and take the legal standpoint, If she has won the auction then the car is sold as seen if when she comes to pick it up and it has tax on it that is included in the final purchase price, likewise if the tax disc had been removed for surrender the final price would have still been the same.

To ask extra for the tax after the auction has ended is against e bay rules, the tax position should have been made clear from the start and in the advert, I thought most adverts state "Taxed & Tested"?

The Motorsport outfit I work for had a very similar thing, they sold breakdown van which originally had a towbar on it, the towbar was removed prior to the sale and the advert photo's did not show it. When the buyer came to collect he claimed the towbar had been removed after the auction ended and wanted it refitted as it was part of the deal. On taking legal advice they were advised there is no way they could prove it was removed before the car was advertised and the easiest way out to avoid any legal action was to refit it and do the original deal.

Just the joys of dealing on Flea Bay I'm afraid buyers have all the power and sellers have litttle redress.

i think your missing the point, i sold it with no tax, the auction clearly states that. she then asked me if it had tax and i said that i was going to cash it in, there was never any indication on my part that tax was included, she then offered me £9 more than the winning bid to include the tax, i said no, so im not sure why you think ive contrevened ebays rules?

 

[mikeouk]

anyway, ive sold it to a member on here. Im sure he'l be along shortly to reveal himself. To be honest, im far happier its gone to a mercedes enthusiast, i know its only a cheap car, but it deserves to live quite a while longer and im sure it will now.

 

[flango]

i think your missing the point, i sold it with no tax, the auction clearly states that. she then asked me if it had tax and i said that i was going to cash it in, there was never any indication on my part that tax was included, she then offered me £9 more than the winning bid to include the tax, i said no, so im not sure why you think ive contrevened ebays rules?

Sorry must have mis read your post If it was sold without tax then you were quite righ to ask extra for the tax and have not contravened e bay rules.

Think I Should go to Specsavers

 

[normanr]

anyway, ive sold it to a member on here. Im sure he'l be along shortly to reveal himself. To be honest, im far happier its gone to a mercedes enthusiast, i know its only a cheap car, but it deserves to live quite a while longer and im sure it will now.

I have done a lot of selling on Ebay and never had a problem because I put every little detail down, I have sold 3 of my cars on there with no problems but as you have said Mike you did just that so you have been unlucky to pick up an idiot.

If you look at some of the NEG feedback on some of the sellers you can have a good laugh to how thick some people can be, the only problem you have now is she can give you a NEG but as the guys are saying as a seller you cannot return it but you can still put feedback on there and put your own choice words for her allthough it won't be a NEG it will still let other sellers see what a waster she is.
Hope this helps
Norman

 

[RoseTattoo]

If I had sold a car in this difficult market and the buyer seems to want to give me readies, I would have jumped at it. The tax issue seems to be nit-picking on both sides which could have been solved with common sense - you both deserve a yellow card. If I were the other party, I would feel somewhat aggrieved.

 

[popuptoaster]

I think people need to read the adverts properly to be honest, i used to do a lot of selling on ebay and it was always happening, people assume stuff or dont read the listings, its not hard to check the part of the listing for a car where it says TAX -

Having said that i have bought and sold a fair few cars on ebay, we just bought a 4x4 pickup truck from a thoroughly nice bloke with no complaints or complications on either side.

 

[Rob77]

If I had sold a car in this difficult market and the buyer seems to want to give me readies, I would have jumped at it. The tax issue seems to be nit-picking on both sides which could have been solved with common sense - you both deserve a yellow card. If I were the other party, I would feel somewhat aggrieved.

Totally agree. Leaving aside the legal niceties, reading what you've posted of her correspondence she comes across as being quite reasonable whereas your replies to her have been, well, less so. Just my opinion though

 

[Colin_b]

Totally agree. Leaving aside the legal niceties, reading what you've posted of her correspondence she comes across as being quite reasonable whereas your replies to her have been, well, less so. Just my opinion though

I disagree. The point of Ebay is that the deal is done via the bids. No mention of the car being taxed, so that was the deal.

The buyer wasn't being reasonable in unpicking the deal, and the seller apparently has another buyer lined up, so can afford to say 'stick to the original deal, or no sale.'

Tough one, either way!

 

[Rob77]

I disagree. The point of Ebay is that the deal is done via the bids. No mention of the car being taxed, so that was the deal.

The buyer wasn't being reasonable in unpicking the deal, and the seller apparently has another buyer lined up, so can afford to say 'stick to the original deal, or no sale.'

Tough one, either way!

No mention of oil in the engine or air in the tyres either

 

[Mercedes cozy]

I think the supposed buyer can only leave neg feedback if they mark the item as paid from their end.

 

[mikeouk]

If I had sold a car in this difficult market and the buyer seems to want to give me readies, I would have jumped at it. The tax issue seems to be nit-picking on both sides which could have been solved with common sense - you both deserve a yellow card. If I were the other party, I would feel somewhat aggrieved.

not nit picking on my side,,ill explain again,,i sold the car with no tax,,she asked about the tax,,i said yes i still have it,,she offered me £9 on top of what the car sold for,,i said no,but as a gesture she could have it for £39, i could have cashed it in for £50. If you were a buyer in the same situation and felt aggrieved them im afraid id sail you in the same boat as her.

 

[mikeouk]

Totally agree. Leaving aside the legal niceties, reading what you've posted of her correspondence she comes across as being quite reasonable whereas your replies to her have been, well, less so. Just my opinion though

would you go into a resturant, pick a main dish off the menu, then ask the waiter if they have any sticky toffee pudding for a desert, he says they do and its £3.50, you offer him 50p for it because you bought the main course from them?

 

[Colin_b]

No mention of oil in the engine or air in the tyres either

Hence the phrase invented to check if the chariot had horses.. caveat emptor.

 

[219]

Moreover, if I was buying a sub <£1000 car, I'd expect there to be at least some tax on it, though it would be one of the things I'd check, along with the time until the next MOT.

Hmmm , of the last four or 5 cars I've bought ( as a rule I don't like to spend any more than a grand or so buying a car ) only one (my 190E2.6) had tax , and then it was less than a month , moreover two of them had no MOT either ( but in those two cases I got the vendors to deliver them to me , thus avoiding the risks ) .

At that end of the market , the tax can be a significant proportion of the value of the car ( or even exceed it ! ) . I was offered a rusty , but newly MOT'd , W126 300SE just last week for £200 without tax or £300 with the six months tax left on it - this , to me , is a normal way of dealing , and I have offered the same option when selling .

On the other hand , buying or selling a ten or twenty grand car , I'd expect whatever tax still on to be left on as £50 or £100 is hardly a significant proportion of the value of the car .

I have known people to siphon petrol out of tanks to leave only a minimal amount - how stingy this is depends again on the selling price ( I did it myself once when selling one of my W124's for spares , but it did have a full tank just before breaking down terminally and the value of the fuel was more than 50% of the selling price ) .

I'd also go so far as to say that , with a car at a few hundred , it is very much 'sold as seen' and no comebacks - whereas if spending multiple thousands I'd have expectations which would increase in proportion to the price .

My experience of buying and selling in the lower price ranges have always been with nice , genuine people . I think 'dodgy characters' who want to defraud people will usually go for higher value vehicles .

Anyway , Mercedes drivers are all NICE people , aren't they ?

 

[Ted]

Well every cloud........
As you may have guessed, I am now the proud owner of said car
Mike called me at 9:30, a visit to the bank, a call to the insurance company, a dash to the station, a pleasant train ride, and by 3:30 the car was mine.
Now clearly, I have a vested interest, but I can honestly say that I have thought this one through, and I really don't believe that there has been anything untoward done. It was clearly sold without tax, and any buyer would have to pay for it at full price. Mike was offering the remaining tax at a discount.
All I can say is that Mike is a straight, no nonsense guy, and it was a pleasure doing business with him.
The car was just as described (actually better IMHO), drives beautifully, and is in excellent condition - a credit to its previous owners. A leisurely drive down the M6, and it's now in my drive.
If I get a chance on Sunday, I will give it a good clean and post some piccies in the gallery.
£740 for an E class in excellent nick? Bloody bargain if you ask me. I certainly wasn't arguing over the tax.