Just over 2 weeks old and off the road already :(

[rsk21]

I don't understand you or your motives I'm afraid Dieselman. Your "why do all threads" quote above is quite palpably nonsense. You have as far as I can see added nothing constructive whatsoever to the thread other than facetious or provocative comment or outright scorn. Please stop.

 

[m2287]

One has caught fire already though hasn't it?
Imagine if there were a couple of children in that car....
I suspect the prank call story wouldn't have been that big in the news.

 

[Dieselman]

Please stop.

Red rag and Bull...

You had a fault with the car, drove it to the dealers who declared it VOR. Afterwards you demand that this isn't good enough and now say you felt the threat of fire risk is untenable.

If it felt that risky, why did you drive it to the dealers? I wouldn't chose to drive a car I thought was going to burst into flames.

It is a technical fault, the dealer is fixing it.
My observations started when you said that Mercedes should be having all cars reworked prior to sale. They won't do that as it isn't a significant known risk (yet)

For some reason you seem to think that questioning your statements means that someone is goading you.

 

[Dieselman]

One has caught fire already though hasn't it?
Imagine if there were a couple of children in that car....

Can you see the bit that is fantasy in your statement?

 

[m2287]

What's wrong with that? It only takes One minor detail to completely change a chain of events.

If we didn't ask what if, we wouldn't have the technology we have today.

 

[Dieselman]

What's wrong with that? It only takes One minor detail to completely change a chain of events.

If we didn't ask what if, we wouldn't have the technology we have today.

Do you write Channel 5 "documentaries"? Did we go to the moon...or indeed is there a moon? Were the babies trapped in car seats when we got there?

Where would we stop with this fantasy? Maybe we should be setting up post traumatic stress counseling for RSK21...and the nearest hospital children's ward...

It didn't happen...

 

[rsk21]

Red rag and Bull...

You had a fault with the car, drove it to the dealers who declared it VOR. Afterwards you demand that this isn't good enough and now say you felt the threat of fire risk is untenable.

If it felt that risky, why did you drive it to the dealers? I wouldn't chose to drive a car I thought was going to burst into flames.

It is a technical fault, the dealer is fixing it.
My observations started when you said that Mercedes should be having all cars reworked prior to sale. They won't do that as it isn't a significant known risk (yet)

For some reason you seem to think that questioning your statements means that someone is goading you.

I didn't say anything of the sort, I merely posited the view that I had experience of other manufacturers applying outstanding TSBs prior to customer collection. As a specific example I had one car from a manufacturer who replaced the fuel tank prior to my collecting the car on the back of a TSB.

At no stage have I demanded that anything isn't good enough, in fact I have openly commended the dealer in question.

As to driving the car to the dealership whilst I am annoyed I am even being dragged into your game of questioning and cross examination I let the car cool down and drove the approximately 1 mile from where I was stopped at a somewhat more sedate pace than I might usually.

Another thread where you have nipped at, passed judgement upon and effectively bullied a newish member as to why their own personally held views, sentiments and experiences are somehow incorrect as they don't align with your own.

You win - I give up. You can sleep soundly tonight knowing you have got one over on another stranger from the internet.

 

[m2287]

Do you write Channel 5 "documentaries"? Did we go to the moon...or indeed is there a moon? Were the babies trapped in car seats when we got there?

Where would we stop with this fantasy? Maybe we should be setting up post traumatic stress counseling for RSK21...and the nearest hospital children's ward...

It didn't happen...

No, I didn't, did you write that programme "grumpy old men"?

Why are you talking about the moon anyway, is it because it's dark outside or is it because you have nothing better to do?

It didn't happen no, it easily could have happened though.

 

[MrVix]

As far as I can work out from this thread rsk21 is rather unhappy that he has had this problem with his new C63 and quite rightly so too. He has paid circa 60k for a car and it has let him down. He has never said that he wants to return the car and has acted in a mature and responsible way in both reporting it on this forum and dealing with the dealer.
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It is the same old story though, certain individuals need to drag any C63 discussion down to an arguement, it rarely seems to happen on other non C63 threads. If these individuals, and they know who they are, refrained from posting on these C63 threads I think the forum would be a happier place for all.
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Surely rsk21 has enough on his plate without being wound up by the anti C63 brigade.

 

[sinewave]

OP, my earlier post was not meant to 'question' your feelings or for you to justify your actions, it was merely pointing out that these things happen no matter how much a car costs it's just harder to be pragmatic when sumats cost ya 60K!


I agree, I too would be bitterly disappointed at my shiny new car having to return for 'major surgery' so soon after the wrappers came off, after all it's a Toy as well, not just a diesel 'shopping car' for the wifey.

My point was directed mostly at the 'doom & gloomers' shouting "REJECTION" at every opportunity!

Hope its sorted ASAP and you can get back to attaining the magical 1K, so Warp Factor 9 can ensue!

 

[Howard]

Was it a car you specced up and ordered yourself or was it one that you bought from a dealers forecourt ?

I wonder if it could be one made before the seals were changed ( presumably they don't fit the defective seals in cars built after the date the fault was discovered ? )

If it has been 'in stock' for a while , could it be one that was built before the problem arose ?

 

[Simon_M]

I find it bizarre and more than a little disheartening that this thread seems to have lapsed into a situation where I am effectively being asked by some to justify my feelings and emotional reaction to the matter.

Welcome to MBClub!

Hope the car is sorted soon - mine had an oil leak from new, badly seated cooler seal. It took several attempts to convince the dealer there was a leak somewhere. By the summer you will have forgotten all about this....

S

 

[davidjpowell]

As far as I can work out from this thread rsk21 is rather unhappy that he has had this problem with his new C63 and quite rightly so too. He has paid circa 60k for a car and it has let him down. He has never said that he wants to return the car and has acted in a mature and responsible way in both reporting it on this forum and dealing with the dealer.
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It is the same old story though, certain individuals need to drag any C63 discussion down to an arguement, it rarely seems to happen on other non C63 threads. If these individuals, and they know who they are, refrained from posting on these C63 threads I think the forum would be a happier place for all.
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Surely rsk21 has enough on his plate without being wound up by the anti C63 brigade.

Why do C63 owners think they are special? Any thread on MBClub can go this way. It just needs to be at the right moment! If you really suspect that you are being picked on, next time change your car profile and just mention problems on a W204.

I think you'll find no difference other than a few more people may try and help.

I would draw your attention to this thread which was memorable http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/engine/104849-my-worst-week-end-ever.html and http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/ot-o...ay-woman-who-did-not-have-bus-fare-raped.html.

OP - You certainly do not need to justify yourself to anyone on a forum - only to yourself. I suspect the fire thing is a red herring caused by what happened to another car with a similar fault.

 

[markjay]

...you said that Mercedes should be having all cars reworked prior to sale. They won't do that as it isn't a significant known risk (yet)...

Motorists are right not to trust car manufacturers on this issue.

The automotive industry worldwide has a very bad track record when it comes to costly safety recalls - from the Ford Pinto catching fire on rear impact through to the Toyota 'sudden acceleration' issue. And it took BMW long enough to accept that their Minis could burst into flames due to defective water pump.

If I were the OP I would take any reassurances from MB that the engine oil dripping on a hot exhaust will not catch fire with a grain of salt.

 

[brucemillar]

As the ex-owner of a Range Rover that burst into flames and was completely burnt out in minutes. I would get every assurance possible from MB.

The cause of my fire?

High Pressure Gear Box Oil Leak onto the Primary Cat(s). This ignited while we (Me the wife and my two daughters) were driving back from holiday on the A66. Start to finish of fire was about five minutes. We watched as the car was completely engulfed.

 

[Simon_M]

Bloody hell.

 

[brucemillar]

Bloody hell.

Indeed..

Staggering how quickly the fire took hold. More worrying was the speed that the black fumes were pushed into the car by the air con. As we came to a standstill the flames simply shot out from under the car and up both front doors. The rest was over so quickly.

 

[rsk21]

OP, my earlier post was not meant to 'question' your feelings or for you to justify your actions, it was merely pointing out that these things happen no matter how much a car costs it's just harder to be pragmatic when sumats cost ya 60K!


I agree, I too would be bitterly disappointed at my shiny new car having to return for 'major surgery' so soon after the wrappers came off, after all it's a Toy as well, not just a diesel 'shopping car' for the wifey.

My point was directed mostly at the 'doom & gloomers' shouting "REJECTION" at every opportunity!

Hope its sorted ASAP and you can get back to attaining the magical 1K, so Warp Factor 9 can ensue!

Thank you - yes it is a toy but honestly I don't care how much it did or didn't cost I have always found new cars exciting immaterial of size, shape, speed or price and would have been just as disappointed had it been a new Fiat Panda or similar.

Was it a car you specced up and ordered yourself or was it one that you bought from a dealers forecourt ?

I wonder if it could be one made before the seals were changed ( presumably they don't fit the defective seals in cars built after the date the fault was discovered ? )

If it has been 'in stock' for a while , could it be one that was built before the problem arose ?

It was factory order - looks like it just got lost down the cracks in terms of missing out on the replacemnet part at build time.

Welcome to MBClub!

Hope the car is sorted soon - mine had an oil leak from new, badly seated cooler seal. It took several attempts to convince the dealer there was a leak somewhere. By the summer you will have forgotten all about this....

S

Thanks - dealer has been great so far so I'm hopeful of a first time fix.

Why do C63 owners think they are special? Any thread on MBClub can go this way. It just needs to be at the right moment! If you really suspect that you are being picked on, next time change your car profile and just mention problems on a W204.

I think you'll find no difference other than a few more people may try and help.

I would draw your attention to this thread which was memorable http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/engine/104849-my-worst-week-end-ever.html and http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/ot-off-topic-forums/132164-society-today-woman-who-did-not-have-bus-fare-raped.html.

OP - You certainly do not need to justify yourself to anyone on a forum - only to yourself. I suspect the fire thing is a red herring caused by what happened to another car with a similar fault.

I personally don't consider C63 owners to be "special".

Looking at your evidentiary threads of course other threads can go this way, that's a shame and a poor reflection on the forum.

As an aside your suggestion that C63 owners would get better response if they hid what car they own probably suggests an inate negative bias ?

 

[MarkJunedd]

Sympathys with the Op for the trouble he has had with his new car ,at least its in the dealers where i am sure it will be sorted properly. As an aside , Why do more and more threads on this forum turn into slanging matches and arguments ?

 

[rsk21]

Well the news is good.

Had a call from the excellent service team leader at MB Milton Keynes to say the car is all back together again, road tested and thoroughly cleaned up underneath. They have dealt with the situation excellently in my opinion, sympathetic, helpful and informative right throughout the process. He also informed me that as gesture of goodwill MBUK would consider paying the costs of having our driveway steam cleaned to remove the oil residue which seems very decent to me.

As is often the case in such circumstances problems quickly dissipate when dealt with efficiently and as far as MB Milton keynes are concerned they have definitely done that. I remain disappointed that this happned but the manner in which it has been treated by the local (non supplying) dealer has left a very positive impression and I can't wait to get my car back tomorrow.