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Newbie: W210 - possible to keep long term, or am I completely insane?

Well, have given up with the idea of doing the EGR myself for now as the weather is crap! So looking around it a bit more today and the rust isn't too bad. Worst seems to be the o/s/r well in the boot and the o/s/f inner wing where the brake pipe comes through. Will look at sorting this in the summer. Anyone have any suggestions for cleaning dirty grey leather? Got to fix the front fog light mounts and look to see why the rear fogs aren't working at all yet they don't throw a fault!

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I normally just use a leather restorer / hide food like this - http://www.halfords.com/motoring/car-cleaning/interior-cleaning-vacuums/autoglym-leather-care-balm-500ml

And amor-all is good for cleaning vinyl door trims, etc

Edit: sorry, meant armorall. If you do a Google search for amor all you get an entirely different set of results :D
 
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So , poking around today trying to get Geoff (JYF, best south African accent ), and it seems I may have no movement on the flaps in the inlet, no movement on the turbo waste gate and a problem with the EGR! Oh well, we will wait and see what the STAR session reveals!

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No waste gate on these, they're VNT - so yet more oven cleaner is needed!:D
 
No progress on the W210 this week, I'm prepping my 306 cabriolet for it's MOT, and once again marvelling at how ridiculously easy it is to repair. Both front arb droplinks replaced in 1.5 hours, including removing wheels, freeing rusted bolts, jacking the car up and putting the tools away!

However I am stockpiling W210 stuff for my 1st tentative attempt at a proper respray, just got to wait for the basecoat and respirator to arrive and I'm good to go...
 
Got round to sorting the bad earth on the o / s / r fog light and reverse light. Went to replace the bulb in the o / s / f fog and found it corroded to death! New, pattern light ordered off eBay for £30, second hand were £15 so didn't see the point. Going to get the air con re gassed tomorrow at ATS using the AIRCON40 discount code, so it's only £28.

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That's a useful code...
 
Had the air con done. ATS said it had no leaks and re gassed it. Ran home and it was nice and cold. Went to go out later and as soon as I started the car there was what looked like smoke inside. Opened the bonnet and its coming from the compressor. Looks more like gas than smoke, so I suspect the compressor is had it. Oh well, at least I only paid £28 to find out, could be worse.

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Had the air con done. ATS said it had no leaks and re gassed it. Ran home and it was nice and cold. Went to go out later and as soon as I started the car there was what looked like smoke inside. Opened the bonnet and its coming from the compressor. Looks more like gas than smoke, so I suspect the compressor is had it. Oh well, at least I only paid £28 to find out, could be worse.

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Probably easy to find second hand
 
Yep, you normally can't give compressors away, even for rare / valuable cars so it'll be very cheap on eBay if someone's bothered listing one.
 
I had a lucky break this bank holiday - from Sat afternoon until Mon afternoon I had the house all to myself, so out came the compressor and spanners...

First stage was to rub down my new wings (Eurocarparts Premiums, which were so good they didn't need any fettling to fit properly :) ) and create the proper AMG wheelarch lip:

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I did this by bending the lip in slightly increasing stages with an edge setting tool from Machinemart, followed by carefully finshing it off with a round-headed panel beating hammer.

Next came the primer - a standard cellulose high-build primer thinned 1:1 applied over 3 coats with a block rub down between.

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Next came the water-based base coat, done in 3 coats. That took about 6 hours to do thanks to the extended drying time.

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And finally came a '1 pack' lacquer - basically the same as what came in rattle cans but it went on a lot smoother. Unfortunately this is where it went a bit wrong - I did this bit on Sun morning when it was especially windy, so lots of dust, etc got blown into the final coat. Annoying, but hopefully I should be able to sand it down once the lacquer's cured properly.

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And finally a good coat of smoothrite inside the wings (after primer) to try and keep the rust at bay. I'll be adding a coat of underseal too once it's thoroughly cured.

So then came time to change the front wings. This was a lot more hassle than expected...

Presumably it was because I'd got a pre-facelift AMG bodykit, but taking the wings off differed greatly from the 'standard' procedure. There was no clearance to get to the front wing bolsts, so the front bumper had to come off. Still, the frontcrossmember was in good nick:

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I decided I might as well take the headlights out to check the condition of the metal underneath since I'd gone to all that bother - once again quite good:

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It'll need some work once I've taken out the wheelarch liners from underneath, but for the moment a quick coat of rust eater followed by blue smoothrite on the crossmember and under the headlights will keep it together for a while.

I then polished the headlights in 10 minutes using rubbing compound followed by t-cut followed by standard car polish, results were pretty good. I also took off the rubber surround to make sure I didn't damage that whilst polishing.

And then came the rear bolts. Nowhere near enough clearance to undo the bolts without removing the sideskirts; even if I had there was no way I was going to get the wings back on again, so the sideskirts had to come off...

And that's where the 'standard procedure' really fell apart. I undid the bolts underneath and tried just pulling the sideskirts upwards, but nothing budged. After an hour's prying and pulling, I managed to pull a self-tapper through the sideskirt at the rear, but luckily didn't crack anything.

In fact the early sideskirts don't just pull upwards and off, there are dozens of self-tappers hidden underneath a vinyl stick-on strip on the door step:

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Finally I was able to remove the sideskirts, so had a good run along the sill with a hammer and screwdriver on the rust scabs - nothing serious, except for at the o/s/r where the wheelarch meets the sill. Bit of plating needed, but for a W210 this is remarkably good :)

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The sideskirts will need to come off again when I weld that so I haven't undersealed or painted the sills yet, so that's another one to do.

The wings went straight on, but getting the side bolts to line up with the bumper was a struggle, and I must have deformed the sideskirts a little with all the bending and prying because it was the devil's own job trying to get them to line up again when I replaced them.

All of which meant I ran out of time so had to refit everything without welding my spring hangers, but the final results were worth all the hassle:

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Hmmm, I'm beginning to think this car is high maintenance, in the 'grumpy teenager' rather than the 'over-complex car' way :)

It's already thrown one grumpy strop for the previous owner shortly after it was put up for sale - "Hmph, you're selling me 'cos I'm looking a bit scruffy? Well, I'll break down for the first time ever and sulk until you find someone who will fix me", and now it's thinking seems to have gone like this:

"Hmph, you've replaced my wings but didn't weld my spring hangers? Well, I might break something next time you drive me and then you'll be sorry!"

And sure enough, last Thurs, only days after I fitted the new front wings, it snapped the o/s/f spring in two places, so it's now sitting in my garage on axle stands.

And of course now I've got the wings / sideskirts / front bumper off again to give me lots of access to the springs I might as well weld the spring hanger whilst I'm there...
 
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Bad luck! I've got some s/h AG springs.
 
Bad luck! I've got some s/h AG springs.

Thanks, but I got a full new set of "reasonably-good-make" lowering springs (around 1cm lower than the avantgardes) from Ebay for £90 all in, so I'll be fitting those once I've welded up the holes.

Guess I'd better fit some new Bilstein shocks at some point, but I'll wait for the next strop before I do that ;)
 
Results of the preliminary poke around, looks like the car was entitled to have a strop, this could have got much worse if I hadn't treated it soon:

The very broken spring:
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Drivers side springhanger, just looked like it needed a quick seam weld 'til I started poking:
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And from above, wonder how long it'd have taken a strong, unbroken spring to punch through that?
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And on the nearside firewall, I gave a tiny, slightly rough looking patch of paint a poke and found this underneath. Not a biggie, but goes to show you definitely can't trust W210 paintwork no matter how good it looks:
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Got round to fitting my replacement front fog light today. Took out the wheel arch liner to give better access and have discovered rot! Underside of the panel beneath the o / s headlamp. Think I will have to have a more thoughrough examination to see what else is hiding, And yes I know it's a W210! On the plus side the spring top mounts are all good.

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Got round to fitting my replacement front fog light today. Took out the wheel arch liner to give better access and have discovered rot! Underside of the panel beneath the o / s headlamp. Think I will have to have a more thoughrough examination to see what else is hiding, And yes I know it's a W210! On the plus side the spring top mounts are all good.

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Mmm, don't trust how the spring hangers look, mine looked quite good until I prised all the sealant out and started poking things with a screwdriver.

And it turned out the 'reasonably good' looking panel under my headlight collapsed into crumbly brown chunks when I hit it with a hammer and chisel from underneath, so I needed to weld in a 10cm x 8cm plate. Still, it's an easy fix with the wing and bumper off, but if you're doing the welding yourself I'd recommend 1mm steel or slightly thicker. I used the factory thickness of 0.8mm to begin with and it kept burning through both the plate and bodywork even on the lowest welder setting.

BTW all the serious rust I've seen on mine has been around the seam sealant; it must attract / trap water rather than stopping it getting in, and it burns with an interestingly acrid smoke if you don't manage to get all of it out before you start welding...
 
So, some progress has been done - the rotted bits have been cut out, but at the same time I found the metal around where the top of the spring hanger rests was paper thin.

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I've patched it as best I can and plug-welded the spring hanger into place. It's strong enough to support my weight (which is more than can be said for the old one!) but if it can't support a fully loaded spring I'll have to track down one of those elusive spring hanger / inner wing panels to weld in.
 
Wanted top example of BMW M5: budget £12k

Not too sure how you being part of a club affects a cars value but there you go.

If anyone has a top quality example of a properly maintained, undamaged, E39 M5 with reasonable miles for £12k, I'll take it and stick it into store for a few years before selling it for £50k.

I'm sorry, but little old ladies don't own M5's to go to church on Sunday and occasionally take a ride to the Garden centre. They're driven hard and fast, and owned by many young men with champagne tastes and beer maintenance budgets.

Agreed on all the points about Car clubs and bar room chit chat, but good cars are seldom on the market and go for a premium compared to the majority. It's called "Gresham's law."


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If anyone has a top quality example of a properly maintained, undamaged, E39 M5 with reasonable miles for £12k, I'll take it and stick it into store for a few years before selling it for £50k.

I'm sorry, but little old ladies don't own M5's to go to church on Sunday and occasionally take a ride to the Garden centre. They're driven hard and fast, and owned by many young men with champagne tastes and beer maintenance budgets.

Agreed on all the points about Car clubs and bar room chit chat, but good cars are seldom on the market and go for a premium compared to the majority. It's called "Gresham's law."


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Ok, I'll bite :)

I've been looking at prices of E55 W210s recently to see if I could scavenge any useful parts from a cheapie scrapper and the prices are definitely on the up. Most usable estates are being advertised for 6k upwards, and the only E55 saloon I've seen below £2000 recently was a vandalized wreck on Ebay that you'd have had to pay the scrap man to take away this time last year.

And of course E60 AMG / V12 Brabus W210 prices are already stratospheric, as you would expect...
 
Still not sorted the EGR problem, but looking on ebay there are complete manifolds with flap motors and EGR for around £70. Thinking that getting one of these and cleaning it all ready to fit maybe a better solution? Some have the cooler as well.

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If anyone has a top quality example of a properly maintained, undamaged, E39 M5 with reasonable miles for £12k, I'll take it and stick it into store for a few years before selling it for £50k.
Here's what looks to be a very genuine example with low mileage for under £10k:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222506161777

Spend a couple of grand getting it mint and stick it in your store for a few years. Job done.
 

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