Parking Ticket - wrong registration!

[Howard]

I'm not sure...

I know they photograph it when they suspend the parking bays for removal trucks ...

I'd be surprised if they snapped every ticket on every car ..... even if they did though, it still isn't your registration on the ticket and hence not your car ....

 

[pammy]

Putting all the issues around what you think of people doing these jobs etc and knowing now that it is a machine printed product not handwritten, then an error has been made and afaik the ticket has no value in the eyes of the law as the reg'n number might not exist but is not yours. I assume you are not actually questionning the issue of the ticket - simply that it says 1 where it should say I? In which case I don't understand why anyone should think you should get out of it. If an offence has been commited - pay the fine. We seem to have another example of someone looking to get out of paying the fine for an offence they seem to have committed because of a human error. Heaven forbid we should ever make mistakes in our working lives - are we not all human and capable of error?If there is a genuine gripe against the offence then that's a different story.(Sorry - smileys not working atm from my work's PC so can't use them to emphasise meaning)

 

[Howard]

But the government and councils get so much out of us anyway .... I work 3 days a week for fatty in the treasury .....

Council tax, income tax, car tax , value added tax etc etc etc ...

If you can save a bit by their incompetance then good luck to you ....

Fed up with having to scrimp and save in my life to give money to the government to waste on their pay rises and stupid things ....

You might have enough money to pay without question , but i know if i could get away with it, i would .....

 

[Howard]

you should read what they say about you on the forums though

I expect 'they' do .... couldn't care less ....

I doubt i'll ever be a member of 'Parking Enforcement Club UK'

 

[pammy]

But the government and councils get so much out of us anyway .... I work 3 days a week for fatty in the treasury .....

Council tax, income tax, car tax , value added tax etc etc etc ...

If you can save a bit by their incompetance then good luck to you ....

Fed up with having to scrimp and save in my life to give money to the government to waste on their pay rises and stupid things ....

You might have enough money to pay without question , but i know if i could get away with it, i would .....

So if we don't pay taxes how do we expect the country to run? I don't support waste but of we want things we have top pay for them one way or another.

My finances are not part of the debate - but if I commit an offence and get caught then I expect to pay for it. If you can't afford it then you shouldn't commit the offence in the first place imho.

 

[andy_k]

But the government and councils get so much out of us anyway .... I work 3 days a week for fatty in the treasury .....
Council tax, income tax, car tax , value added tax etc etc etc ...

no you work to live, the fact that you earn enough to pay tax and allow you to buy luxuries means that you pay more tax than someone who lives in a smaller house, rides a bike and lives on the breadline. That's not working for the treasury it's working for yourself.

Fed up with having to scrimp and save in my life to give money to the government to waste on their pay rises and stupid things

so you live in Richmond, drive a Merc and have recently been discussing your new plasma TV - I must admit you have a very interesting way of defining scrimping and saving

You might have enough money to pay without question , but i know if i could get away with it, i would .....

There's a very easy way to avoid parking tickets - it's called don't park illegally. It really annoys me when people are so obviously in the wrong spend so much time looking for technicalities to avoid paying a fine they have incurred through their own stupidity.

It's a shame that you don't apply those "it's OK if you can get away with it" liberal standards to everything and everybody when they stray outside the law

Andy

 

[Mr E]

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If you can save a bit by their incompetance then good luck to you ....

But wasn't the whole episode started by someone else's incompetence / arrogance / disregard / ineptitude.

I may agree when it's something we have little or no control about (such as taxation) but when you've done something "illegal" then take the consequences (remember that ignorance is no defense in most cases).

For example, I moan about the cost of parking and associated restrictions in my local town - so I don't shop there, I go somewhere more "shopper-friendly". I don't visit friends in the town either, unless it's outside of restricted times. Annoying? Yes. Can I fix it? No. But then I don't get parking tickets to moan about either.......

 

[robert.saunders]

You guys (pammy; andy_k) have kinda beaten me to it!

I asked earlier what the ticket was issued for - because at the end of the day: park illegally, get caught. Your choice.

You may recall from an old thread where I questioned that the Attendant does his/her job correctly. In that thread, a clear error was made, in that the ticket shouldn't have been issued in the first place. I then stated that training was perhaps needed, as this job and industry is hard enough as it is without having to deal with unnecessary mistakes on ticket issue, whereby it's a clear knowledge issue.

However, I agree with the comments airing here - when a ticket is perhaps issued correctly but has a basic error (such as 1 instead of I, or 2006 instead of 2007) then this is basic human error - we all suffer human error I'm afraid.

It hasn't yet been established why this ticket was issued, let's remember that. IF the ticket has been issued for a fair and valid reason, then my view always remains the same - pay it. There is a legal get-out in this case however, which anyone can google for themselves. If however, the LA decide not to accept and it goes to adjudication, I'm afraid that's a complete lottery these days.

Rob

 

[tim.100]

My finances are not part of the debate either - but I share Howard's perspective.

Government and citizens give and take. Promises are broken on both sides.

I leave it to individuals to decide who breaks more promises, and which side makes the commitments they never intend to fulfil.

In response to an earlier post, it was not arrogant to presume that a minor street would have parking restrictions late on Saturday night. My hosts assured me it was OK to park. But I do confess ignorance of the law.

 

[robert.saunders]

What's the PCN issue code?

 

[Swiss Toni]

It would appear to be the difference between an error and dishonesty.

Errors I can deal with, accept and get over.

Dishonesty gets treated "appropriately".

If you are suggesting dishonesty is an apropriate resoponse to a human error, then that tells everyone more about you than your minor error when parking your car.

Its about personal standards and integrity.

Howard justifys dishonesty by saying "the system is out to get me, so I am fighting back".

There are always folks on "power trips", there are always folks making mistakes. And there always dishonest folks too.

You set your own standards.

 

[Fandango]

It was issued on a computerised ticket - so there is no doubt that it is a 1.

Howard, do the Richmond wardens routinely photograph cars? It would help them spot the error that they have made. If so I may pay up, because of the risks of not doing so.

At the moment I reckon a 70% chance of them not identifying me; to be weighed against a 30% chance that they do, and issue a demand for £80.

I shall put the 'savings' into the vandalism repair fund - new star and bonnet respray required.

Regards

Tim

Just pay the ticket!!
Is it worth it, getting all paranoid whether they will still be able to trace you, or whether they may have taken a picture of your car?
It's a £40 lesson to yourself to be more careful in future.
After all you know that you parked illegally.
Also... I hope your job is one where you don't get treated like you are prepared to treat parking attendants.
Nice Evening.
Karl

 

[Plodd]

I wouldn't bank on them not being able to identify you because of the mistake.

If I remember correctly the PNC sees 1s and Is as the same character I would be suprised if the DVLA system is different.

 

[dagd]

Pay the ticket! you've done the crime, now do the time!

I was issued a ticket recently as I displayed what I thought was a valid Pay & Display scratch card thingy, as I always keep a couple in my glovebox. I checked that it was unused, but not the issuing authority, unfortunately it was for Brighton, not Woking! Annoyed, as I had a valid unused Woking ticket and wasted a good Brighton one; fool!

Incidently; agree with other posters re Wardens; their just doing their job!