Plans to ban cars over 10 years old

[Thmsshaun]

Plans to ban cars older than 10 years from our roads

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Banning/restricting cars over 10yrs old. This is on the .gov website too.

"Several EU proposals across the years are dangerous to the classic car movement. One that has been under consideration is to ban the use of cars older than 10 years. Similarly, Edinburgh City Council is considering the banning of cars over 15 years old from the town centre. These, and similar, proposals directly threaten the classic car movement, and encourage the manufacture of new cars, with the attendent environmental issues of sourcing raw materials, manufacturing, distriuting and scrapping the spiralling supply of new vehicles."

You'll be banned from using the roads and only allowed to take the vehicle out having obtained PRIOR consent from your local council.. I.e youd have to plan your route in advance and inform the council for approval who may then decline the whole thing or certain aspects like perhaps if you wish to pass through a city centre etc...

sign the petition here:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Classic-Cars/

 

[Shude]

to be fair there are some silly petitions on there too, it's not all black & white.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/goldanthem/

 

[Alfie]

to be fair there are some silly petitions on there too, it's not all black & white.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/goldanthem/

Sadly, that particular petition has more signatures than the one about banning older cars

Nothing suprises me these days about what is being done in the 'name' of the environment

 

[Gucci]

Utterly ridiculous and not going to happen.

 

[fuzzer]

couldnt agree more , ive got no time for old cars.

Museems or special track days.

The emissions controls arent up to the modern standards , the saftey isnt there either. In this day and age of green is good. Them bangers have got to go.

 

[GregE240]

Are you serious, Fuzzer?

 

[Sp!ke]

The emissions controls arent up to the modern standards , the saftey isnt there either. In this day and age of green is good. Them bangers have got to go.

I'm not so sure there Fuzzer. Buying a new car every three years is possibly the worst thing you can do. The carbon footprint of manufacturing a car is huge.

A better suggestion would be to encourage keeping cars for longer and if really necessary encouraging the fitment of cleaner burning engines to them. To me this sounds like a cunning plan to boost Europes flagging car industry.

These govenments are systematically chipping away at personal choice. Freedom to choose? what freedom?

 

[BonzoDog]

Greg and Spike, I'd suggest that Fuzzer is slightly tongue in cheek. It's known as stirring it.

 

[Shude]

Greg and Spike, I'd suggest that Fuzzer is slightly tongue in cheek. It's known as stirring it.

While they're interested in safety and emissions it's high-time SUVs were banned from cities, those things are killers.

 

[BonzoDog]

Anybody know how they do it in Japan? I have heard that they set such a tough test at three years and/or a high price that it forces cars off the road.
Good for the manufacturers - bad for Chav's.

 

[BonzoDog]

While they're interested in safety and emissions it's high-time SUVs were banned from cities, those things are killers.

Only bicycles should be allowed.

 

[Shude]

Only bicycles should be allowed.

Pedestrian safety is still an issue, ban pushbikes!

In fact having walked through a few city centres over the years I reckon a lot of pedestrians are bad for pedestrian safety too, so let's ban them while we're at it.

 

[Gollom]

In summary:

• Ban cars (except MB)
• Ban pedestrians (except pizza delivery people)
• Ban bikes (no exceptions)

Next: World Domination <cue echoey laugh in the distance>

:bannana:

 

[C240Sport97]

crazy proposal as the result will be more new cars produced, which results in more CO2 emissions .. not to mention destroying 2nd hand car values.

it's not just about classic cars.

we already have MOTs etc to make sure that only roadworthy cars remain on the road. The more sensibly thing is to make the MOT more stringent, not introduce a blanket bank which takes no account of the condition of car, and how life there remains in it.

 

[imadoofus]

As Gucci says, this is utterly ridiculous, and very unlikely to happen.

The argument about emissions is a valid one (ie, old cars emit more per mile, but production of new cars far outweighs that), but the economics demonstrate the significance of the classic car movement. The figures below are for the UK, with Europe-wide data in brackets (for those of you that will say "Oh yes, but it's the EU that make these stupid rules"):

- It's worth £3bn in the UK (€16bn), and export activies generate a further £300m (€3bn) per year.
- More than 27,000 (55,000) people earn some or all of their living from the classic car movement.
- Of the business serving the industry, 81% (67%) have been in existence for more than 10 years, and 52% (43%) have plans to recruit more staff within the next 3 years.
- There are currently more than 400,000 (1.5m) roadworthy and licenced classics in the UK.
- Over 65% (70%) of those travel fewer than 900 miles (1500km) per year.

From a 'significance' point of view, consider the following:

- Nearly 32 million vehicles are licensed for road use in the UK (255m) , and historic vehicles accounted for less than 1.3% (0.8%) of these.
- Annual vehicle circulation is over 310 billion miles (2.2trillion km). Historic vehicles accounted for 350 million miles (1.4bn km), representing little more than 0.1% (0.07%) of the total.

So given the above, my question is "What's the point in even worrying about the classic car movement?"

I appreciate that the above data are for 'bona fide' classics, rather than just old cars, but my point is that it's a significant movement, and you can't ban 'old cars' without banning 'classics'; and these numbers highlight the strength of argument wielded by the classic and historic vehicle enthusiasts.

PJ

 

[Swiss Toni]

I don't think there is a bus under 10 years old in our City Centre, so that would make an interesting contrast...

 

[DieselE]

I don't think there is a bus under 10 years old in our City Centre, so that would make an interesting contrast...

Slightly OT I know but if you wanted to help congestion in London, the best thing to ban would be the Mercedes bendy buses. Their road footprint, at 18 metres, is more than half as much again as a double decker with the same carrying capacity.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I don't think there is a bus under 10 years old in our City Centre, so that would make an interesting contrast...

Blooming good point. We have a few LPG buses that are a few years old, the rest - and the majority - are belching out black smoke, and some date back to the '70s (smaller bus companies).

Wouldn't be so bad if I saw more than a handful of people on them - but even in rush hour they seem almost empty.

Different in London though I suspect...

 

[Thmsshaun]

Glad I sparked a nice debate

 

[nickg]

crazy proposal as the result will be more new cars produced, which results in more CO2 emissions .. not to mention destroying 2nd hand car values.

it's not just about classic cars.

we already have MOTs etc to make sure that only roadworthy cars remain on the road. The more sensibly thing is to make the MOT more stringent, not introduce a blanket bank which takes no account of the condition of car, and how life there remains in it.

Agreed.

A blanket bank would be completely pointless.

Could I withdraw my blanket at any time with no penalty (for instance in the autumn when it gets a bit chilly)
Could I at any time upgrade my blanket account to a "premier duvet" account and get free travel insurance?

[sorry, it was either that or start ranting about bendy buses...........]