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R63 AMG - Collecting Cars

I ran around in one of these for a while in '07 when I was out in the Middle East. Not a bad bus, but in a world where the E-class estate and ML already existed, I couldn't help wondering what the point in it was. Probably a niche too far, although the noise was as intoxicating as ever!!
 
Perfect description! And I love niche cars, but this is one step too far for me 😂
To this day I can't really figure out what it offered that the W211 and W164 at the time couldn't also deliver one way or another?! I think history will look on the entire R-Class thing in general as a definite flop!
 
I actually saw 1 today (not AMG) Wow what were they thinking I wouldn't have known what it was but for this thread seriously ugly
 
To this day I can't really figure out what it offered that the W211 and W164 at the time couldn't also deliver one way or another?! I think history will look on the entire R-Class thing in general as a definite flop!
It was developed at a time when there was a growing backlash against full size SUVs, and it was intended to mitigate the risk of declining sales. Softer in appearance, lower and less obvious, whilst retaining a slightly high driving position, tall cabin and mild offroad ability.

It was a time in which there were growing anti-SUV sentiments in the media and wider society. There were anti-SUV newspaper headlines, anti-SUV stickers being stuck on cars, and even SUVs being vandalised such was the feelings from some corners.

However it was also a time of quite significant growth for both full-size SUVs and growing popularity of softroaders, effectively replacing the boom in fulll-size and mini MPVs. The market could have gone either way continued growth or contraction or even collapse.

So Mercedes used the second generation ML platform and powertrains to spin off a full-size SUV (ML), plus a 7 seat full-size SUV (GL), and a softer alternative pitched as being pitched more towards luxury (R). It hedged it’s bets to cater for both dramatic growth and collapse.

It was highly unlikely that all three would be a success, as the market would go one way or the other. History tells us that the anti-SUV sentiment eventually faded - quite quickly in the end - and so it was the R-Class which became the relative “failure”.

I would not call it a flop or failure though, just like you wouldn’t say an unused insurance policy is a waste of time. It served it’s purpose perfectly, Mercedes expected continued growth - but could not be certain - and that’s what happened.
 
Pretty good summary above. I think the aesthetics of the R-class are quite challenging (and that’s not to say the ML or GL were attractive, but perhaps more purposeful). But a lot of people seem to ignore the seating capacity/options of the R-class - 6 seats, later 7 seats IIRC, which could have been part of the intial appeal for many buyers.

Obviously if you don’t need the extra seating capacity it’s probably never going to be on your radar let alone wish list.

E-class estates are great but they don’t have proper sized seven seat options and on later ones (212 onwards) the extra seats are quite unusual to find (not available on all engine variants either (V8s for example). Great for occasional sporadic use but not ideal for everyday especially when you consider the loss of luggage space.

So I think the R was always going to be a niche appeal, but IMHO the aesthetics let it down and it perhaps wasn’t anything extraordinary luxury wise. I think most of those who needed the extra seats probably skipped MB or bought a GL or V instead?

I remember dealers offering ridiculous incentives and lease deals etc to try and shift them, must have been quite a hard vehicle to sell.
 
The facelift looks far nicer too, but they are few and far between and in the UK, I don't believe that they were offered with the V8?

Does anyone know where the R63 AMG was built? Was it Alabama, with the other R and ML (and GL?).
 
A mate of mine has a BMW X2 which he loves.

He says it’s a blend of an estate and an SUV.
I like the twin badges on them -- one on each of the C pillars. The junior designer (I presume) for that model is a ray of sunshine for BMW's design future.
 
The facelift looks far nicer too, but they are few and far between and in the UK, I don't believe that they were offered with the V8?

Does anyone know where the R63 AMG was built? Was it Alabama, with the other R and ML (and GL?).
Yes, usual story, "normal" AMG's are built on the normal production line, in this case Tuscaloosa.

It's only the insane bespoke AMG's that are pre-assembled on the line and then finished off in Affalterbach.

If Affalterbach had been properly involved with this "halo" version of the R class, the handling wouldn't have been so dreadful, and they wouldn't have had to discount them so hard to get those 200 R63 minivans out of the door in 2007.

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How about the one man one engine? Was it a German man in Germany?
 
How about the one man one engine? Was it a German man in Germany?
Yes, engines are built by one man in Affalterbach. His name will be on the block.

None of that German Electrician stuff. ("Many Hans make light work")

The engine is then shipped out to the production line wherever it may be: Sindelfingen, Tuscaloosa, or wherever. Remember that an AMG is always more than "just" the engine - there are all the other mods as well.
 
Yes, engines are built by one man in Affalterbach.

None of that German Electrician stuff. ("Many Hans make light work")

The engine is then shipped out to the production line wherever it may be: Sindelfingen, Tuscaloosa, or wherever. Remember that an AMG is always more than "just" the engine - there are all the other mods as well.
So there's no AMG set up work? I'm not understanding what you're saying is missing from the AMG proposal.
 
So there's no AMG set up work? I'm not understanding what you're saying is missing from the AMG proposal.

The 200 R63's were assembled in Tuscaloosa.

Their AMG engines were built in Affalterbach.

The design of the R63 would have been a joint venture between the R series design team and AMG, using a variety of AMG designed features: from brakes to gearbox mods, from seats to badges. Those parts would have been built by the usual component manufacturers and put onto the vehicles on the routine production line.

It's only when you get to really arcane bespoke stuff that it gets built at Affalterbach. And then typically by taking a preassembled shell from the production line and fitting AMG features.
 
The 200 R63's were assembled in Tuscaloosa.

Their AMG engines were built in Affalterbach.

The design of the R63 would have been a joint venture between the R series design team and AMG, using a variety of AMG designed features: from brakes to gearbox mods, from seats to badges. Those parts would have been built by the usual component manufacturers and put onto the vehicles on the routine production line.

It's only when you get to really arcane bespoke stuff that it gets built at Affalterbach. And then typically by taking a preassembled shell from the production line and fitting AMG features.
Okay, so it's a modern AMG, rather than a shed built one (being slightly hyperbolic).

That's acceptable to me, so long as the reliability is there. I know MB techs seem to sniff at the Alabama MBs.

I'd have one it think, though I do like the torque and accessibility of my E500 and 7G box.
 
So there's no AMG set up work? I'm not understanding what you're saying is missing from the AMG proposal.
All models with an AMG engine will have been co-developed with AMG involvement right from the very earliest stage of design and development.

However the only models to have been fully designed and developed by AMG are the SLS and GT, and coming soon the new SL and One (hypercar).

Even the SLS and GT were not built in Affalterbach, instead they were built just down the road at Sindelfingen along with many other Mercedes models.

Ultimately though it’s all one company and all engineers are equally capable, so who designed and built it matters less than what was designed and built.

PS The R 63 AMG is a “proper” AMG if that’s what you’re pondering.
 

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