Stupid parents and idiot children.

[tali]

I have 4 children under 16 -thankfully they are not much trouble
Thank you Playstation

 

[Noodle-Pulp]

Recently my wife and I were doing the weekly shop and in the store was a girl probably about 4 years old who was clearly unhappy and bawling her eyes out about something.. her mums response?
3 hard punches to the mouth in quick succession, and yes there was blood..

Everyone's response? don't get involved...

 

[LTD]

Recently my wife and I were doing the weekly shop and in the store was a girl probably about 4 years old who was clearly unhappy and bawling her eyes out about something.. her mums response?
3 hard punches to the mouth in quick succession, and yes there was blood..

Everyone's response? don't get involved...

Now, that IS wrong.

 

[snoop51]

To be honest, I took the whole argument out of context and I apologise if it came across as a personal attack.
The funny thing is, I'm not normally liberal and I don't know what came over me

Apology accepted Please take one in return, with retrospect I guess it was a challenging statement in the first place, which could have been written a lot clearer.

 

[snoop51]

Recently my wife and I were doing the weekly shop and in the store was a girl probably about 4 years old who was clearly unhappy and bawling her eyes out about something.. her mums response?
3 hard punches to the mouth in quick succession, and yes there was blood..

Everyone's response? don't get involved...

That I would NOT condone at all. Very obviously abusive as the child was doing no wrong. As to why no one responds anymore, they're too scared to get involved nowadays. Too afraid of being sued or being assaulted themselves unfortunately. IMHO in this respect we have followed the USA as being to willing to view everything as being someone else's fault rather than accepting some responsibility for our own actions. Compensation culture gone mad. Sorry I digress!
It does beg the question WHY does no one do anything though! My wife and I saw a little girl wandering around Braintree shopping village by herself (in tears) yesterday, obviously lost her Mum / Dad. Did we do anything? No! Why not? Because we were too worried of getting accused of kidnap or worse. A few years ago we would have taken her to the information centre at least now, "look the other way". Is that right? I don't think so, but that seems to be the way society has advanced. Backwards

 

[MOCAŠ]

It does beg the question WHY does no one do anything though! My wife and I saw a little girl wandering around Braintree shopping village by herself (in tears) yesterday, obviously lost her Mum / Dad. Did we do anything? No! Why not? Because we were too worried of getting accused of kidnap or worse. A few years ago we would have taken her to the information centre at least now, "look the other way".

I agree that I would be reluctant to approach a lone girl - or boy - in those circumstances (for the reasons you've stated), but equally I would find it very hard to do nothing to help them. I would at least report their plight to a security guard or the information desk, or perhaps enlist the help of someone else in the vicinity (preferably a couple) to escort the child to the information desk with me.

I do know that I would find it difficult to live with myself if it later emerged that the child had come to some harm and I had done nothing to intervene. We just have to find ways of mitigating the effects of any possible reproach.

 

[HR17]

I know - lets balme it on Tony Blair again! That's always popular!

 

[snoop51]

I know - lets balme it on Tony Blair again! That's always popular!

Why blame it on anyone individual? Why not blame it on everyone? We're all apathetic in this country anyway!

 

[martin_a]

Recently my wife and I were doing the weekly shop and in the store was a girl probably about 4 years old who was clearly unhappy and bawling her eyes out about something.. her mums response?
3 hard punches to the mouth in quick succession, and yes there was blood..

Everyone's response? don't get involved...

Everyone's response? I'd be ashamed of myself if I hadn't stepped in there. What if it was someone older in the street? Walk on by would you? That's a disgrace. Sorry but that boils my p reading it!

No issue with the punishment of greatest threat and least application thing but that cannot be condoned at all.

There needs to be some way that says there is a consequence for any action. The best way out of poverty/issues like this is education and beyond that, proper discipliine. For me, get qualifications at school or automatic National Service. At least there is an incentive to learn and do something properly.

As for the rest of it it is problem of our own making, with kids being seen as a way to get a bigger house and more money, not as something to be loved.

This is a good article, especially the 1974 speech by Keith Joseph. OTT sure and as a general concept, not good but the argument of encouraging those least equipped to bring up children to hacve them seems to be the problem

BBC News - What are you not allowed to say?

m.

 

[Meldrew2]

The council should have brought out the machine designed to keep children off of icy roads.

The Gary Gritter

Made in China ?

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[Bellow]

There is a fine line between "reasonable physical chastisement" and "abuse" - unfortunately the lefty prius driving CO2 driven target centric liberal loonies (small L) have pushed to make any form of physical intervention unacceptable, regardless of the circumstances.

I'm more inclined to think that adults being abusive to children and using 'punishment' as justification for their perversion or laziness is what took us to where we are in respect to the above... Their own failings inflicted on children had to be stopped.

Separately, we are also seeing 'parents' who had no lessons in parenting from their own absent (in many meanings of the word) 'parents'.

Since hedonism became the new British pastime, parenting has been relegated, and baby sitting/child minding a nightmare of abuse and neglect for many children.

Does anyone remember the expression 'latch key kids'? A legacy of right wing thinking, not left...

 

[Dryce]

It does beg the question WHY does no one do anything though! My wife and I saw a little girl wandering around Braintree shopping village by herself (in tears) yesterday, obviously lost her Mum / Dad. Did we do anything? No! Why not? Because we were too worried of getting accused of kidnap or worse. A few years ago we would have taken her to the information centre at least now, "look the other way". Is that right? I don't think so, but that seems to be the way society has advanced. Backwards

We create society through our own collective contributions.

The solution if you're so concerned - assuming you are carrying a mobile phone - is to approach said youngster - dial 999 and then standby. The 999 service might get a bit miffed that it's not an emergency but stuff that - the situation has to be dealt with in the most expedient manner possible.

 

[LTD]

The main problem these days is that people think if they do nothing then they are doing nothing wrong.

I'd rather look at any given situation and make the percentage call.

 

[Noodle-Pulp]

We create society through our own collective contributions.

The solution if you're so concerned - assuming you are carrying a mobile phone - is to approach said youngster - dial 999 and then standby. The 999 service might get a bit miffed that it's not an emergency but stuff that - the situation has to be dealt with in the most expedient manner possible.

Given the size of the mum, I reckon she'd floor me if went for me - she was twice the size of me, so fearing any kind of reprisal, I declined to get involved.
I did however report it to the store customer service desk, but I didn't hold up much hope for any action being taken.

 

[Bellow]

This is a good article, especially the 1974 speech by Keith Joseph. OTT sure and as a general concept, not good but the argument of encouraging those least equipped to bring up children to hacve them seems to be the problem

BBC News - What are you not allowed to say?

m.

Not seeing the need to bring Keith Joseph into this. All the institutions he appears so frightened of becoming the domain of the next generation (''borstals, sub-normal educational establishments, prisons, hostels for drifters'') existed then (even if ' hostels for drifters' don't now!) so hardly the case that this is a 21st century problem issue only.

Perhaps he was warning us where the policies of his party were leading us. To 'no society'...

And being realistic, JEEP was always going to fail us in the end.

 

[Colin_b]

This whole thread concerns me, and is a symptom of society as a whole. Which kind of shows that a caring society (which I think is reflected here) doesn't know the answer.

I've two kids, both in their early 20s. They have both been brought up in a stable environment, both loved, cared for and nurtured. Both bright, articulate and confident.

One is a delight, one is a nightmare of the first order.

Bringing up kids is the hardest job there is. Trouble is, everyone and his mother knows better than the parents if there are any problems - and there are a scary number of those.

All I'd say is if you've had children, you probably know this, if you haven't, you almost certainly don’t.

If I knew the answer, I'd bottle it, and make a better world. Sadly, I don't.

 

[martin_a]

Perhaps he was warning us where the policies of his party were leading us. To 'no society'...

And being realistic, JEEP was always going to fail us in the end.

That's the point. He didn't say it well but left office for saying it. However, on some level he was right.

What about Sheriff Joe in the US? Slammed for bringing back chain gangs etc yet the re-offending rates are the same. The simple fact is some people cannot and will not be helped.

noodle - I just hope that if you find yourself in need of help from a passer by they have a pair and actually help you. Punching kids in public? What goes on behind closed doors? Should have called the cops and reported an assault, you might have stopped another Peter Connelly.

m.

 

[snoop51]

Colin B
Bringing up kids is the hardest job there is. Trouble is, everyone and his mother knows better than the parents if there are any problems - and there are a scary number of those.

All I'd say is if you've had children, you probably know this, if you haven't, you almost certainly don’t.

If I knew the answer, I'd bottle it, and make a better world. Sadly, I don't."

+1
I also have 2 kids / young adults 19 & 17. Both are generally good, both can be a nightmare at times. We all have bad days that's life. I'll miss them both when they finally leave home (the eldest is joining the Army soon). SWMBO is "bricking it" but thinks it will do him good in some respects. I spent 12 years in the Army, it certainly got me going, I wouldn't want to be in now though. Afghanistan is a lot worse than Bosnia, Croatia & the 1st Gulf War IMHO.
The 17 year old is in that "I don't know what I want to do" stage that a lot of kids go through. Hopefully she'll think of something soon.

There are no answers to the perfect parenting, some things are better for some than for others (not including abuse that's just wrong). Some people need more discipline than others, some just need more guidance.
Horses for courses. You don't see Shire horses going round the Grand National.

 

[Noodle-Pulp]

noodle - I just hope that if you find yourself in need of help from a passer by they have a pair and actually help you.

Read Number 2 HERE

Did anyone help? I have no idea...given the state I was in.. I would imagine not...but at least someone got me to the hospital.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

You don't see Shire horses going round the Grand National.

You do when I've backed them