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Stupid parents and idiot children.

Recently my wife and I were doing the weekly shop and in the store was a girl probably about 4 years old who was clearly unhappy and bawling her eyes out about something.. her mums response?
3 hard punches to the mouth in quick succession, and yes there was blood..

Everyone's response? don't get involved...
I have found in these situations that because the attacker is a bully, if you give them a bit of verbal they back down and scuttle off, but then again I'm a big, stocky lad so...:rolleyes:
The only time I'm hesitant is when I think that if I get involved in a situation and the parent/bully stops, will the child get a worse beating when they get home?:mad:

I don't think I could judge anyone who did or didn't get involved, but I live my life by pretty much one saying- It's better to regret something you have done, than something you haven't....
 
Does anyone remember the expression 'latch key kids'? A legacy of right wing thinking, not left...

Indeed, the concept that a both parents can and possibly should work as long as their children are mature and sensible enough to self-supervise for a few hours a day and make their own way home from school is a very capitalist attitude. And one I would subscribe to.

I would congratulate any parent if by the age of secondary school their child is responsible enough to be entrusted with a key to the house. My youngest certainly isn't but the others are.
 
Indeed, the concept that a both parents can and possibly should work as long as their children are mature and sensible enough to self-supervise for a few hours a day and make their own way home from school is a very capitalist attitude. And one I would subscribe to.

I would congratulate any parent if by the age of secondary school their child is responsible enough to be entrusted with a key to the house. My youngest certainly isn't but the others are.

In reality though the parents were too busy and self centred to instill the discipline let alone lock away the pornography, booze, and pills....

On top of which was a layer of guilt from the feeling of neglecting their children in a way that they weren't, and the compensation was to give the kids whatever they demanded whilst welcoming along excuses such as 'cash rich, time poor', and telling the kids it's all for their benefit. So it's all the kids fault then. And when the divorce comes along, kids feel the guilt all over again.

Not really what I would call a success. A model primarily for the benefit if the capitalist shareholder doubling up as responsible child raising is a dubious concept at best.
 
I live my life by pretty much one saying- It's better to regret something you have done, than something you haven't....

I have one that works for me;
Regret nothing, for it is every thing that makes you the person you are.
 
Read Number 2 HERE

Did anyone help? I have no idea...given the state I was in.. I would imagine not...but at least someone got me to the hospital.

But yet when someone needed your help you walked away? Not sure this post really helped.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing - A. Einstein

Each to their own I guess.

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It isn't really a question of children being seen and not heard nor of perpetrating violence against children. And correctly applied discipline to counter violent youngsters is certainly not child abuse.

I was at a comprehensive school in the 80's when the cane was still in use and in a school of 1000+ pupils it was hardly ever used and when it was everyone got to hear about it as the news spread quickly. It didn't need to be used often as it was an effective deterrent at keeping most of us check. The most effective punishments are always those were the threat is great and the application rare.

There has always been a hard core of troubled youngsters who the system can't help no matter what it tries but many more simply get away with as much as they can knowing that there are no sanctions to be faced.

So what we have now are many youngsters who aren't just naughty, are not just disruptive and are not just badly behaved. They are criminally violent in a way that would lead to arrest and prosecustion if such actions were carried out by you or I in public. But because they are in a school environment there are no real sanctions other than exclusion (they don't want to be in school anyway), a talking to or being given one-to-one teaching away from other pupils and staff.

As a result we have the eduaction of well-behaved children being constantly disrupted, teachers siting poor pupil behaviour as the main reason for them leaving the profession in droves and young thugs retaining a "you can't touch me" air of impunity as they yet again avoid facing any real consequences for their behaviour towards staff and their fellow students.

Since corporal punishment is not permitted in schools these days ( belt never did me any harm either ) , perhaps a good deterrent could be taken from the likes of the old German POW camps : disruptive behaviour = locked in the 'cooler' for a few hours .

We do have a 'naughty corner' in our house for our two year old , it is seldom needed as he is generally well behaved . However, if he does something that is likely to be harmful to himself - going near the coal fire ( even with fireguard in place ) , or climbing where he is likely to fall and hurt himself ( other examples which have not happened might include hurting another child or a pet , or running into the road ) - this has been dealt with by an immediate and measured slap across the wrist - believe me , it hurts me more than it hurts him but he knows immediately what it is for , is unlikely to repeat the wrongdoing . Since this has only been done a couple of times , he knows it was for something very wrong . As soon as the tears stop , they are dried off and he gets a big hug then a calm explanation of what he did wrong , why it was so bad and why he must never do it again . I would never condone striking a child out of frustration or anger , but in certain cases where their actions present real danger or risk of injury then I believe reasonable and loving chastisement is still appropriate .

My older daughter was brought up the same way and she turned out fine .
 
That I would NOT condone at all. Very obviously abusive as the child was doing no wrong. As to why no one responds anymore, they're too scared to get involved nowadays. Too afraid of being sued or being assaulted themselves unfortunately. :( IMHO in this respect we have followed the USA as being to willing to view everything as being someone else's fault rather than accepting some responsibility for our own actions. Compensation culture gone mad:doh:. Sorry I digress!
It does beg the question WHY does no one do anything though! My wife and I saw a little girl wandering around Braintree shopping village by herself (in tears) yesterday, obviously lost her Mum / Dad. Did we do anything? No! Why not? Because we were too worried of getting accused of kidnap or worse. A few years ago we would have taken her to the information centre at least now, "look the other way". Is that right? I don't think so, but that seems to be the way society has advanced.:( Backwards

Re the child being beaten in the supermarket , or the lost child in the street , I would DEFINITELY step in every time . The mother in that supermarket would have had the police to deal with ; with the lost child in the street , I would have just waited with her where she was and called the police on my mobile to send round a WPC to look after her .

How anyone with children of their own could ignore either situation is beyond me - how would you feel if you subsequently read in the paper that either child had been murdered by the abusive parent or an abductor ?
 
Let me tell you a story...

After visiting a friend last night, I made the short walk from his home to the local tube station, which involved traversing Ealing Common and an adjacent small green. It was dark, and as I was approaching the southwest corner of the common, I became aware of a woman making stilted progress in front of me. As she heard my footsteps, she stopped dead in her tracks and froze. Always conscious of unintentionally unsettling women in such situations, I gave her a wide berth and muttered "excuse me" as I passed her to announce my presence. She said nothing as I passed, nor did she so much as move her head. For my part, I was just glad to no longer be 'following' her.

A few seconds later, as I first put foot on the common, I heard a voice calling behind me. It was her. She had plucked up the courage to ask me to escort her across the common. How unusual in this day and age, I thought. I became aware that she was quite unsteady on her feet, due to her being more than a little tipsy. My instincts told me to look around, lest I was being lured into some sort of trap, but my better nature took over and I acceeded to her request in good faith.

At this point her inebriation became quite apparent. She thrust her arm into mine, apologised for using me for support, and began to shower me with profuse praise for coming to her aid. I naturally advised her to be wary of who she placed her trust in - for all she knew, I could have been her worst nightmare.

As we started to make stumbling progress across the common I established that she was also heading for Ealing Common station. Her height all-but matched mine, and as she maintained her close grip on my arm, I was having to make a concerted effort to keep her upright and avoid being pushed off the path. She was extremely loquacious, in marked contrast to my own rather taciturn nature, and proceeded to tell me her life story. She apologised for being slightly tight (not her choice of words...), saying that she had been entertaining friends and family that evening. By the time we had crossed the common, she had told me her name, her age, the names of some of her seven siblings, the fact that she was of Irish-Spanish parentage and that she had been convent educated. She went into minute detail about a family feud that had been rumbling after one of her sisters had recently announced she was a lesbian, and how she (my companion) was the only member of the family now speaking to this sister...

We crossed the North Circular Road to complete the remainder of the walk to the station, and still in full flow she pointed out the trees and hedges to our right which had apparently been thinned substantially after a young boy had been raped by two older youths. She asked whether I had a mobile phone, and told me how she condsidered them a vital tool for anyone walking alone: she had developed a technique of just talking into her handset as she walked, clearly announcing details of her location, to create the impression of being in constant touch with someone, which she said was an excellent deterrent to would-be attackers.

As we neared the end of the path, with the lights and bustle of the Uxbridge Road a little way ahead of us, I reflected on my encounter with this woman. I began to wonder why someone so seemingly self-assured had craved my company for this short but rather desolate journey; why had she so readily placed her trust in me? Was the close grip she'd been maintaining on me a pick-pocket's ploy? Was she about to ask me for money, having won my confidence?

Just then a small, mixed-race boy, no more than ten years old, loomed in view walking towards us, and she stopped in her tracks. "This is my son," she said. Before I had time to process the information, they had greeted each other, and with impeccable manners he extended his hand to me and said "Pleased to meet you." She told him she was just heading to the shops, and that he was to go straight home. At this point, he despondently uttered the chilling words: "You're drunk again." and walked off in the direction we'd come from.

All of sudden my mind was in turmoil. I suggested that she go after him, and offered to accompany them both back home, but she was having none of it. "He always makes his own way home, he's used to it." As I began to wonder how many other men he may have seen his mother hanging from in similar circumstances, I could only imagine what might have been going through his mind seeing her with me, and what impact all this was having on such a young impressionable mind. Yet there were no words of reassurance I could have offered him that might have sounded even faintly credible. I supressed the urge to say "I'm just walking your mother to the shops," as in truth I now had no idea where she was going or what mission she was on.

Then her mood turned darker. Still gripping me tightly for support, she explained in overtly racist terms how his father had abandoned her and, somewhat alarmingly, how this mere slip of a youth, standing no more than four foot tall, had taken over his father's role of using her as a punchbag. At first I assumed I'd misheard her and that she was talking about some other man she'd met, but no, she really was laying that unlikely charge at her son. By now, the boy was a speck in the distance, and we were just a few hundred yards from the station. With a heavy heart, I escorted her the rest of the way and bad her farewell. By now, I was convinced that she was really in search of the nearest off-licence. At this point, she became quite maudlin, telling me what a "lovely man" I was and how there weren't enough people like me; as I bristled at the awkwardness of the situation, she turned her grip of my right arm into a shambling embrace. I peeled myslef from her grasp and entered the station, and even as I passed through the ticket gates she was still standing at the entrance shouting her goodbyes.

The words of that little boy and the despondent tone in which he delivered them will stay with me for a long time. He was well dressed, well-spoken and from what little I could gather in the situation, seemed mature beyond his years. But he was also surely a victim of a long and drawn out abuse. No youngster should have to be resigned to seeing his mother in a drunken state; or be expected by his mother to make his own way across a path that she herself had just faced with trepidation; or, perhaps, be left wondering whether the person he'd just seen with his mother was just the latest in a long string of people looking to take advantage of her.

Apologies for the length of this post, but I just had to record my thoughts about last night somewhere, and this seemed as good a place as any.
 
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Thank you for sharing that Mocas. Admirable of you to escort her, a sad glimpse into a private world of profound un-happiness, one that I suspect is not so unique. All un-happy families resemble one another to re-write Tolstoy.
 
We create society through our own collective contributions.

The solution if you're so concerned - assuming you are carrying a mobile phone - is to approach said youngster - dial 999 and then standby. The 999 service might get a bit miffed that it's not an emergency but stuff that - the situation has to be dealt with in the most expedient manner possible.

I know it's considered strange in this day and age, but I only carry a mobile when at work. Always leave it at home evenings & weekends, I hate the damn things during leisure time.:devil: I might carry one in the car switched off if I'm travelling on holiday for example but that's about all.:D
 
Re the child being beaten in the supermarket , or the lost child in the street , I would DEFINITELY step in every time . The mother in that supermarket would have had the police to deal with ; with the lost child in the street , I would have just waited with her where she was and called the police on my mobile to send round a WPC to look after her .

How anyone with children of their own could ignore either situation is beyond me - how would you feel if you subsequently read in the paper that either child had been murdered by the abusive parent or an abductor ?

You really think there are more abductions or murders now than 30 years ago? I just think we are more aware of them due to better? reporting more sources of information.

Re: Mobile see my previous post. Leisure time = no mobile phone:)
 
I never drew any comparison between now and any bygone time . Even one abduction or murder is one too many . I still do not understand how any responsible adult could stand by and watch a helpless and vulnerable child either being abused or finding themself in a distressing and risky situation without doing something to help .

I , too , am not over fond of mobile phones : mine is usually turned off at home , but I do tend to keep it on at other times as my partner suffers from eppilepsy and might need to contact me in an emergency , in fact , she has had to do so on more than one occasion .
 
I never drew any comparison between now and any bygone time . Even one abduction or murder is one too many . I still do not understand how any responsible adult could stand by and watch a helpless and vulnerable child either being abused or finding themself in a distressing and risky situation without doing something to help .

I , too , am not over fond of mobile phones : mine is usually turned off at home , but I do tend to keep it on at other times as my partner suffers from eppilepsy and might need to contact me in an emergency , in fact , she has had to do so on more than one occasion .

With regards to the situation I recounted i.e. the distressed child each to their own. It may be harsh but surely the parents job is to look after their offspring. I don't recall losing either of mine or perhaps I did, I can't remember:crazy:. As for standing by, I didn't, I walked by I don't see it as being a spectator sport. As I said in an earlier post the fact is if you try to help a small child in distress nowadays you are as likely to end up in trouble yourself, accused of abduction or such. :( It's a sign of the times I'm afraid.
As for your own mobile phone usage, if I was in your situation I would probably carry one too. The only reason I was pointing this out was that someone said "You should phone the police on your mobile". I did not have a mobile with me was all I was saying.:) Therefore I could not phone the police on it, could I. :doh:
 
Pontoneer: If only others were prepared to put the effort in to parenting that you do.

Mocas: Perhaps your tale will help some realise it is an imperfect world we inhabit and consequently no perfect solutions exist.
 
...the fact is if you try to help a small child in distress nowadays you are as likely to end up in trouble yourself, accused of abduction or such. :( It's a sign of the times I'm afraid.

I would still rather run the risk of being misjudged by the ignorant than have to live with hearing about something terrible that I might have prevented .

Certainly if I had dialled 999 and waited with the child , the call ( and my good intentions ) would be recorded , therefore I would be easily exonerated .

By waiting with the child where he/she was , there would be every chance the parents might turn up anyway , in which case it would just be a case of either awaiting the police or telephoning them back and letting them know everything was now OK .
 
I would still rather run the risk of being misjudged by the ignorant than have to live with hearing about something terrible that I might have prevented .

Certainly if I had dialled 999 and waited with the child , the call ( and my good intentions ) would be recorded , therefore I would be easily exonerated .

By waiting with the child where he/she was , there would be every chance the parents might turn up anyway , in which case it would just be a case of either awaiting the police or telephoning them back and letting them know everything was now OK .

That's fair enough but I still didn't have a phone with me:D. On a lighter note as my Dad used to say "no news is good news" consequently I don't tend to watch the news or read newspapers either!:thumb:
 
Kid's Get Rammed with a Car

So it is Christmas Day mid afternoon by which time your children have gone well OTT and parents have had enough. What to do? Take them for a walk.

So of course by this time any remaining shreds of self control the children had has vanished and they are running aroound like lunatics and one of them has taken to running and sliding on its bum across the lumpy sheet ice that covers the road.

So it was that I found myself crawling at well sub walking pace in a BFO 4x4 along said road and find an idiot child sliding towards me down a slight incline, unable to stop.

I come to a halt. He does not and continues at fair pace past my drivers door until his progress is arrested by a tree. Blood, wails, parental screaming.

I can see where his could easily go so tell Mrs S call Plod etc.

Cut a long story short idiot parents start off my trying blame me but change tune when Plod arrive. Child carted off to A&E.

Merry Christmas, eh? All of a sudden the words of Scrooge about "reducing the surplus population" did not seem so harsh after all :doh:

Hi there. I got into the same situation like yours when I was on my way to a hotel in Cornwall for a weekend holiday. I was driving fast that time trying not to be late in picking up my fiancée. A 15 year old kid was riding on his motorbike and was trying to overtake on me. I did not know what got into his head when he suddenly took a right shift in front of me and accidentally rammed the kid with my car.

I could not blame myself for what happened instead I blamed the boy for his stupidity.
 
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