The EV fact thread

[Bellow]

How do you post on here without using any Chinese-made devices....?

Where or when did I say I didn't?
Point is, replacing a £300 lap top pales next to replacing a car. Most I think, see it that way. But no one is stipulating that my choice of lap top will be restricted a decade from now. So, comparing cars with dirt cheap electrical appliances doesn't really reveal much that is of use.

 

[ALFAitalia]

All you've done there is looked at existing technology and concluded the obvious.
A low cost engine will not be a diesel - for the reasons you cite. Diesel engines even if fuelled by carbon neutral fuels have no future (other that where nothing else can be made to work - eg haulage) on account of their very high NOx emissions. Dead in the water - other technologies are needed.
To take but one possible alternative, Take a parts count for an opposed piston engine and compare it to a common rail diesel. You'll only need your fingers to count the parts on a OP engine.

Mainly though due to cheap labour rates elsewhere. Not all of us feel so comfortable being reliant on China for everything.

You talk as though an EV's motors are connected directly to the road wheels. Nope, they too have gearboxes. They also have complex cooling systems and a host of other sub-systems that are new to vehicles (principally for cabin heating) without which the car in certain weathers is unusable and will be in the workshop until rectified. An EV is not an anvil and will get more complex in time - multi-ratio gearboxes are a sign of that.

The vast majority of current EVs do not have any sort of gearbox.... they are single speed. No need for one with that much torque.

 

[Bellow]

The vast majority of current EVs do not have any sort of gearbox.... they are single speed. No need for one with that much torque.

They have a reduction gear in a casing that for the want of a better term we would call a gearbox. It will contain lubricant. Whether that lubricant is there for life or needs periodic replacement is dependent on the manufacturer's service schedule.
On single motor per axle configurations there will also be a differential. It too needs lubrication.

 

[markjay]

They have a reduction gear in a casing that for the want of a better term we would call a gearbox. It will contain lubricant. Whether that lubricant is there for life or needs periodic replacement is dependent on the manufacturer's service schedule.
On single motor per axle configurations there will also be a differential. It too needs lubrication.

How does this compare to the manufacturing and maintenance costs of a 9-speed automatic transmission....?

 

[Bellow]

How does this compare to the manufacturing and maintenance costs of a 9-speed automatic transmission....?

Much reduced - but you know that.
As would be the time to replace its oil if needed. Reduced - but not zero.
FWIW, a simplified low cost engine running on carbon neutral fuel wouldn't need a 9-speed transmission. It is the CO2 reduction while running on fossil fuels that created them. An engine format that I'm currently looking at wouldn't even need a multi-ratio transmission. Single speed would suffice. Leave the multi-speeds for the EVs - they are coming.

 

[clk320x]

Much reduced - but you know that.
As would be the time to replace its oil if needed. Reduced - but not zero.
FWIW, a simplified low cost engine running on carbon neutral fuel wouldn't need a 9-speed transmission. It is the CO2 reduction while running on fossil fuels that created them. An engine format that I'm currently looking at wouldn't even need a multi-ratio transmission. Single speed would suffice. Leave the multi-speeds for the EVs - they are coming.

There’s no service internal for any lubricant fluids on my EV.

 

[Bellow]

There’s no service internal for any lubricant fluids on my EV.

Sealed for life then. A short life....

 

[clk320x]

Sealed for life then. A short life....

I know ones with 400k miles, is that short?

 

[markjay]

Much reduced - but you know that.
As would be the time to replace its oil if needed. Reduced - but not zero.
FWIW, a simplified low cost engine running on carbon neutral fuel wouldn't need a 9-speed transmission. It is the CO2 reduction while running on fossil fuels that created them. An engine format that I'm currently looking at wouldn't even need a multi-ratio transmission. Single speed would suffice. Leave the multi-speeds for the EVs - they are coming.

The IONIQ 5 has a single speed reduction gear, incorporated into the motor housing, Apparently it used 3.5L of HK ATF 65 SP4M-1 oil, but there's no change interval specified in the handbook.

 

[markjay]

Mrs MJ likes this one a lot (she saw it in a dealer's showroom):

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[MeQ]

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Was behind the local demo yesterday, looked huge!

Could also tell it was on a test drive with a driver not used to EV with the car slowing dramatically for no reason over and over again

 

[ALFAitalia]

Mrs MJ likes this one a lot (she saw it in a dealer's showroom):

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There is now a small account of sick in my mouth.... what an ugly thing. And it manages to achieve that ugliness from every angle, both inside and out...quite an achievement.
Before anyone says, yes I know beauty is in the eye...etc... but that's my opinion...horrid.

 

[markjay]

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There is now a small account of sick in my mouth.... what an ugly thing. And it manages to achieve that ugliness from every angle, both inside and out...quite an achievement.
Before anyone says, yes I know beauty is in the eye...etc... but that's my opinion...horrid.

I'm guessing that you're not a fan of the Tesla Cybertruck, then?

 

[ALFAitalia]

Lol.... who would be?.... there is no "design" in it.... looks like it was drawn by a five year old who had nothing more than a ruler to use!

 

[MeQ]

Lol.... who would be?.... there is no "design" in it.... looks like it was drawn by a five year old who had nothing more than a ruler to use!

Looks like it was designed for the PlayStation circa 1994

 

[Alfie]

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I couldnt face pressing play. Is that the 2024 Kona? If so, I saw one on Monday and whilst 90% of EV's seems to be unbelievably ugly, the Kona has taken that ugliness to a new depth.

All Tesla's are hideous to look at. BMW long ago lost the plot with designs by that 'Bangle' chap. The only ones that look okay are the original Golf electric and the Mercedes range.

Why oh why do they make these things so hideous. If they want people to buy them, make them look appealing at the very least.

 

[Skd884]

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[SmartAmg]

I couldnt face pressing play. Is that the 2024 Kona? If so, I saw one on Monday and whilst 90% of EV's seems to be unbelievably ugly, the Kona has taken that ugliness to a new depth.

All Tesla's are hideous to look at. BMW long ago lost the plot with designs by that 'Bangle' chap. The only ones that look okay are the original Golf electric and the Mercedes range.

Why oh why do they make these things so hideous. If they want people to buy them, make them look appealing at the very least.

The Kona isn't actually to bad at all. That's the EV9.

 

[markjay]

I have to say that the IONIQ 5, and the IONIQ 7 / EV 9, and the Cybertruck, are all examples of a bold design, and this should be encouraged.

The car industry has been churning out identical-looking cars for decades now, and without the occasional bold design we wouldn't have many of the cars we have today.

Even when the result is a flop, the only way forward (as Elon Musk would say), is to keep trying and not being afraid of failure.

For this alone, Hyundai/Kia and Tesla deserve to be applauded, in my view.

 

[clk320x]

All Tesla's are hideous to look at. BMW long ago lost the plot with designs by that 'Bangle' chap. The only ones that look okay are the original Golf electric and the Mercedes range.

Why oh why do they make these things so hideous. If they want people to buy them, make them look appealing at the very least.

Yeah, clearly no one buys Tesla’s, I never see any on the road.