The EV fact thread

[ChipChop]

Are you suggesting that we should plant more threes in city centres? Not a bad idea, space permitting.

If you want to breathe clean(er) air then yes. Less building more planting.

 

[markjay]

If you want to breathe clean(er) air then yes. Less building more planting.

Sounds like a good plan. But not much help in existing city centres, because taking down buildings and converting the space to public parks is probably going to be both expensive and unpopular.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

But they’re not in it for the money they’re in it to be the market leaders. MG’s and BYD are already heavily subsidised. Reducing the price for a few years may well be a price worth paying to wipe out some EU EV makers.
Europe are trying to lead the way in this particular market so it makes sense to target them

Be market leaders in the real world, not Old Europe. Europeans are just one in 20, and they’re biased to their national car manufacturers. It’s the other 19 out of 20 (or 18 really) that’s where the opportunity really lies.

Think of it like France or Italy trying to sell cars into the States. It’s just not worth it

 

[Deleted member 55947]

Be market leaders in the real world, not Old Europe. Europeans are just one in 20, and they’re biased to their national car manufacturers. It’s the other 19 out of 20 (or 18 really) that’s where the opportunity really lies.

Think of it like France or Italy trying to sell cars into the States. It’s just not worth it

Are the Yanks really fans of EV’s though? I read somewhere that some 40% of EV owners in the States want to go back to ICE.
Europe is the most proactive Continent as regards EV use so it makes sense to target there first.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Are the Yanks really fans of EV’s though? I read somewhere that some 40% of EV owners in the States want to go back to ICE.
Europe is the most proactive Continent as regards EV use so it makes sense to target there first.

You’re not following my point. I’m saying ignore Europe and the 48% tariff wall, and ignore the States where is a 100% tariff wall.

As the trade war escalates, China can sell plenty of EV’s to the 7 billion outside the EU and USA.

And it will always find workarounds. Like moving Lotus, Polestar and Volvo assembly outside of China to avoid the quotas. You put a trade barrier up against the Ora Funky Cat? OK we’ll post the parts to Hungary where they can assembly cars “within the EU.”

In exactly the same way that computers used to be bolted together in Scotland and Ireland from bits shipped in from Asia and the States.

 

[BTB 500]

Looks like EVs with solid-state batteries may be on the market in 4 years. Compared to current Li batteries ...

• Twice the capacity for the same weight/size
• Three times the charge rate
• Half the cost

Explained: Nissan's solid-state battery that could double EV range | Autocar

Japanese brand's tech took 17 years to develop; battery units are half the size but can provide twice the energy

www.autocar.co.uk

Nissan to launch first solid-state EV in 2028 | Autocar

Firm is in a "class-leading position" to introduce cost-saving, liquid-free batteries with 2025-bound production plant

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[Bellow]

As per my previous post : "nearly 5000 premature deaths each year caused by exhausts from cars, trucks and buses across the UK" - this is in addition to an unknown number of people who fall ill but don't actually die.

0.007% of the population.
Premature by how much? An hour, day, week, month, year, years?

 

[markjay]

0.007% of the population.
Premature by how much? An hour, day, week, month, year, years?

No idea. But if these are preventable deaths - then why not prevent them?

 

[clk320x]

No idea. But if these are preventable deaths - then why not prevent them?

Because it means some people will eventually have to give up there 20 year old diesels… which apparently are more important than peoples health/lives?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

0.007% of the population.
Premature by how much? An hour, day, week, month, year, years?

% of deaths should be the number to look at not % of population.

When AA Gill died prematurely at 50 (ish) he described himself as having “The Full English of Cancers.” Pancreas, Lungs and Liver. But how do we count the contribution of exhaust to his lifelong addiction to smoking, serious drinking, and “living it large?”

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

No idea. But if these are preventable deaths - then why not prevent them?

Exactly: ban smoking, alcohol, obesity, and warm homes first. Then work on the more marginal causes later.

The main cause of death in the UK at the moment? Dementia.

 

[ChipChop]

Sounds like a good plan. But not much help in existing city centres, because taking down buildings and converting the space to public parks is probably going to be both expensive and unpopular.

Demolishing buildings is rather a dramatic conclusion. Think instead of new tree lined streets in areas known to have local air quality issues. Grants to encourage residents & businesses to plant evergreens in window boxes etc.

Puzzling how pragmatic solutions to local air quality issues often elicit such a response. But then again i am forgetting emissions zones are there just to extract money from the public and actually solving local air quality issues would curtail that flow of free money.

 

[clk320x]

Exactly: ban smoking, alcohol, obesity, and warm homes first. Then work on the more marginal causes later.

The difference with smoking (except secondary smoking) alcohol and obesity is that they don’t hurt others, only yourself.

 

[Dryce]

No idea. But if these are preventable deaths - then why not prevent them?

In principle.

But the problem is the story or the priority.

So nice furry mammal type animal is at threat of extinction then people react. If it's some sort of nematode or crawling invertebrate that's actually more at risk and more significant to the ecosystem then people don't react.

We see the same with infrastructure. Network Rail is closing railway crossings because they are dangerous. But the majority of deaths on the railways are less spoken about than a few fatal incidents publicised where people are being silly or making mistakes at crossings.

The A9 in Scotland has average speed cameras along the Dunblane to Inverness. The road has high profile accidents (including one today). But the northern section beyond Inverness which is less used was (and presumably still is) worse. The reports prior to the installation of averaging cameras on the sections south of Inverness - if you read them - don't actually indicate there is a major speeding problem - just that some cars were speeding by a bit. The worst accidents involve overtaking, fatigue ..... and the problem that must not be mentioned .... foreign drivers. That last problem is terrifying (I've been confronted by cars on the wrong side of the roads twice last year) - and there's a gradual increase in signs and markings to remind drivers to stay on the left.

So the risk is that the ULEZs and LEZs are the furry cute creature story, or the needless averaging cameras, or the railway crossings. And that they are a diversion and waste of effort that could be applied *to better effect* on other projects.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The difference with smoking (except secondary smoking) alcohol and obesity is that they don’t hurt others, only yourself.

The difference is that it’s obesity, alcohol and smoking that will actually kill us lot, if dementia doesn’t get us.

Not some geezer choosing to drive a ten year old diesel 2,000 miles a year in Yorkshire

 

[clk320x]

The difference is that it’s obesity, alcohol and smoking that will actually kill us lot, if dementia doesn’t get us.

The first 3 are all within your own control though.

 

[SmartAmg]

What a bl00dy cheery, thread this has turned into.

 

[Deleted member 55947]

Because it means some people will eventually have to give up there 20 year old diesels… which apparently are more important than peoples health/lives?

Have you never owned a old petrol or diesel car?

 

[Bellow]

I have to wonder if EVs were dog slow (0-60mph in double figures) whether there'd be the sudden interest in NOx and particulate emissions. Or would those used to their V8s have just carried on as they were? Because it does look like some are only in it for the acceleration and cheap at home recharging. They never showed the slightest interest in reducing CO2, NOx, or particulate emissions prior to their Damascene conversion. No prude like a converted whore.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The first 3 are all within your own control though.

Try telling that to Jeremy Clarkson, Harry Metcalf, and Iain Tyrell !

Nah, ban the lot: cigarettes, chocolate, beer: the thing's that really kill, not ten year old diesels in the middle of Yorkshire.

(Or at least go back to the days before Tony Blair, when you couldn't buy alcohol 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and there wasn't a tax-free fast food outlet less than ten minutes away from everyone.)