The EV fact thread

[grober]

https://www.insidermedia.com/news/news/sir-jim-ratcliffes-ineos-halts-launch-of-fusilier-electric-vehicle-amid-market-uncertainties

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[MikeInWimbledon]

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Great to see the return of the "smiling face" to vehicles' front grill

 

[Petrol Pete]

Hasn't he just announced (Wednesday) that he is knocking these on the head ? ie: not going to bother making them until it looks like someone might buy them.

 

[BTB 500]

Hasn't he just announced (Wednesday) that he is knocking these on the head ? ie: not going to bother making them until it looks like someone might buy them.

That's what @grober posted above.

Sir Jim Ratcliffe’s Ineos has indefinitely delayed the production of its first electric vehicle, the Ineos Fusilier SUV, according to reports.

In a statement, Ineos Automotive attributed the delay to two main factors: “We are delaying the launch of the Ineos Fusilier for two reasons: reluctant consumer uptake of EVs and industry uncertainty around tariffs, timings and taxation.

Interesting to see that they were offering a petrol ICE range extender on it - I didn't know that.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Yes , sorry , my mistake . I must admit to being a bit Pi$$ed off with him for not building them in the UK as (sort of) promised , but money talks and Bull$hit walks. he didnt become that wealthy taking business advice from blokes like me on an internet forum

 

[markjay]

Anyone knows where this site is?

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[MikeInWimbledon]

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Another EV failure. Medway Services. Look at it:

18 chargers, including 12 high speed, and only two being used.

It's almost as if most EV's are charged at, or outside their home.

 

[markjay]

Another EV failure. Medway Services. Look at it:

18 chargers, including 12 high speed, and only two being used.

It's almost as if most EV's are charged at, or outside their home.


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Good planning means building infrastructure with the capacity to meet future demand.

This is a craft that our predecessors excelled at, when they built the railways, the London Underground, then the airports, etc.

Nowadays, we don't really spend serious money on infrastructure anymore, instead we mostly spend it on public services.

Family and silver come to mind.

Which is why I was surprised to see this video, I couldn't believe it was in the UK.

Pretty amazing stuff.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Good planning means building infrastructure with the capacity to meet future demand.

This is a craft that our predecessors excelled at, when they built the railways, the London Underground, then the airports, etc.

Nowadays, we don't really spend serious money on infrastructure anymore, instead we mostly spend it on public services.

Family and silver come to mind.

Which is why I was surprised to see this video, I couldn't believe it was in the UK.

Pretty amazing stuff.

Having owned an EV for a while now I pay extra interest in whether chargers are working, their speed and how many stalls are in use. The reality is a very very long way from the claims that the j destructors is not ready. It’s the mindset that l’a not ready, not the charging infrastructure.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Good planning means building infrastructure with the capacity to meat future demands.
This is a craft that our predecessors excelled at, when they built the railways, the London Underground, then the airports, etc.
We don't spend serious money on infrastructure anymore, instead we mostly spend it on public services.
Family and silver come to mind.

Would it be churlish to mention that all the Railway companies crashed and burned after building too many routes and terminals into London?

That the canal building boom led to collapse as the railways arrived?

Idiots think that "the problem with EV's is where to charge them," but, as you know, that's barely a problem for anyone who uses one and who knows how to use a route planner. The bigger issue is cost of the EV and user experience

 

[markjay]

Would it be churlish to mention that all the Railway companies crashed and burned after building too many routes and terminals into London?

That the canal building boom led to collapse as the railways arrived?

Idiots think that "the problem with EV's is where to charge them," but, as you know, that's barely a problem for anyone who uses one and who knows how to use a route planner. The bigger issue is cost of the EV and user experience

The idea that we shouldn't build infrastructure because inevitably it will becoome obsolete at some point of time in the future, is shortsighted.

Britain's canal system dates back to Roman times, and so I think that having been in use for shy of 2000 years before becoming outdated, is rather good innings.

Horses were used even before that, and similarly their commercial use came to an end with the rise of the motorcars.

EVs won't last a millenia or two, granted, but they'll likely serve their purpose for several decades at the very least.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The idea that we shouldn't build infrastructure because inevitably it will becoome obsolete at some point of time in the future, is shortsighted.
Britain's canal system dates back to Roman times, and so I think that having been in use for shy of 2000 years before becoming outdated, is rather good innings.
Horses were used even before that, and similarly their commercial use came to an end with the rise of the motorcars.
EVs won't last a millenia or two, granted, but they'll likely serve their purpose for several decades at the very least.

No, the canal system was built in a boom between 1790 and 1810, "fuelled" by the steam age and the price of coal. It collapsed when coal halved in price, taking the canal boom with it. Some paid a few dividends, but many never paid out a penny.

The rail boom was between 1840 and 1870. Huge speculative investment in companies right across the UK, many of which were never built because there was no customer need for them.

180 years later, our bizarre hub network centred on London is a reflection of investment decisions made by the early Victorians.

It's hard to look at Medway Services and imagine that many will be "queueing up" to use those services any time soon. You and I certainly won't.

"Highways" and "Hut Inns" are leftovers from the days of roads that stayed dry across the hills of England, with stops to for stage coaches to change horse and feed stops for passengers, but they're an anachronism and a reminder that people over-act and things change.

 

[markjay]

No, the canal system was built in a boom between 1790 and 1810, "fuelled" by the steam age and the price of coal. It collapsed when coal halved in price, taking the canal boom with it. Some paid a few dividends, but many never paid out a penny.

The rail boom was between 1840 and 1870. Huge speculative investment in companies right across the UK, many of which were never built because there was no customer need for them.

180 years later, our bizarre hub network centred on London is a reflection of investment decisions made by the early Victorians.

It's hard to look at Medway Services and imagine that many will be "queueing up" to use those services any time soon. You and I certainly won't.

"Highways" and "Hut Inns" are leftovers from the days of roads that stayed dry across the hills of England, with stops to for stage coaches to change horse and feed stops for passengers, but they're an anachronism and a reminder that people over-act and things change.

Even if accepting your argument, then Diods, CRTs, fax, CDs, tape, etc etc, were all even shorter-lived than the examples you mentioned, and yet they were important links in a chain, without which we wouldn't be where we are today.

If you only ever invest in today, you can never make progress tomorrow.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Even if accepting your argument, then Diods, CRTs, fax, CDs, tape, etc etc, were all even shorter-lived than the examples you mentioned, and yet they were important links in a chain, without which we wouldn't be where we are today.

If you only ever invest in today, you can never make progress tomorrow.

You can do better than that. The Nineties internet backbone boom and bust enabled the global consumer internet rollout 10-20 years later.

My point was just that they're tripping up over the rollout and someone's going to lose a load of money.

As I said two days ago. 350 miles down to Devon and back. Four stopovers and something like 40 chargers on show, with not a single one being used.

Because people charge at home, or near home.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I do wonder what will satisfy the people who say that there aren’t enough charges, because the oversupply in some locations like motorway services is huge.

No doubt the charges will be busy a few days each year, but so will the rest of the service stations and YouTubers don’t get angry about the fact that you have to queue longer for their coffee and Twix.

 

[markjay]

I do wonder what will satisfy the people who say that there aren’t enough charges, because the oversupply in some locations like motorway services is huge.

No doubt the charges will be busy a few days each year, but so will the rest of the service stations and YouTubers don’t get angry about the fact that you have to queue longer for their coffee and Twix.

It's the 'Goldielocks' critics: too few chargers is a problem, too many chargers is a waste....

 

[SmartAmg]

It's the 'Goldielocks' critics: too few chargers is a problem, too many chargers is a waste....

Sounds about right. Can't bloody moan about one thing, so will find summut else.

 

[Ted]

You could charge up your 19 grand Audi e-tron there.
Some serious bargains for second hand (sorry previously cherished) EVs.

I’m being serious, not sarky like the guy in the video.

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[SmartAmg]

You could charge up your 19 grand Audi e-tron there.
Some serious bargains for second hand (sorry previously cherished) EVs.

I’m being serious, not sarky like the guy in the video.

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Jesus! Not that @rsehole again!
Don't know the bloke, but somebody I could gleefully, 3B2
around the head.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

It's the 'Goldielocks' critics: too few chargers is a problem, too many chargers is a waste....

The risk is that by demanding “too many” we end up with suppliers going bust, or by being “overcharged” for high speed services.

Demand high speed top up and you get 79p top ups. And then idiots say it’s not cheaper than fuel

Not realising, of course that commercial charging is a tiny part of usage for most