The EV fact thread

[SpikyMikey]

Love your new Cupra Born or your money back | Carbuyer

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Shame on you - you've just ruined yet another Daily Mail scaremongering article!

The Daily Mail have clicks to bait
to bring in all of that lovely
advertising revenue.​

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Love your new Cupra Born or your money back | Carbuyer

I think I might buy a new one every quarter!

 

[ALFAitalia]

Obviously, it won't affect business users, or anyone who got their new EV on a lease, or on a deal with guaranteed future value.

Which is just about everyone....about 90 plus percent of all new cars are bought on PCP or lease.....so with a GFV. The only issue is that good PCP should be set up to leave equity in the car, which it won't now. The idea being that the customer uses that money towards the deposit on their next PCP car.....so it will cost them money.....bit not the full negative equity.

 

[SpikyMikey]

I think I might buy a new one every quarter!

I wonder if they've thought about that

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I wonder if they've thought about that

I hope so, for their sake. It will be great for new registrations though!

The average amount of time I keep a car is probably 10-12 years and rising, but that could be reversed sharpish if I could get away with this!

 

[SpikyMikey]

I hope so, for their sake. It will be great for new registrations though!

If Wayne was distracted trying to find another suit jacket with stripes on one sleeve, then maybe he overlooked this little ruse

 

[markjay]

Which is just about everyone....about 90 plus percent of all new cars are bought on PCP or lease.....so with a GFV. The only issue is that good PCP should be set up to leave equity in the car, which it won't now. The idea being that the customer uses that money towards the deposit on their next PCP car.....so it will cost them money.....bit not the full negative equity.

This reminds me of some of the pre-Brexit arguments (non-political post).

When the value of the Pound went up or down in the run-up to the referendum, some said that softer currency was bad news for the economy because it will cause difficulties for importers, while some said that softer currency was good news for the economy because it will make life easier for exporters - it all depended on where these people stood on the issue of Brexit, i.e. in favour of, or against it.

The point being that it is all too easy to 'make your point' by mentioning just one half of a balanced argument...

(This a non-political and well-balanced post! Please do not misquote it by quoting only one half of it )

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Latest YTD van registration data from the SMMT (to end of September):

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So BEV vans under 3.5 tonnes have a market share of 4.8%, down from 5.5% last year. The market share of diesels and 'others' (presumably hybrids, but perhaps including a few hydrogen fuel cell ones too?) have both gone up.

It's also been announced today that BEV vans will have to pay the London Congestion Charge from the end of next year - that's really going to help sales

MSN

The clue’s in the name: it’s a Congestion charge.

The objective being to reduce congestion in very central London, while raising taxes for the Mayor’s preferred voter group projects.

It was phased in via diesels and old tech pollution, but in the long term it’s all about reducing traffic and shoving people onto empty buses and tube trains

 

[TC350]

It's official: I've gone right off EVs.

Why?

I came close to losing my life this morning when one nearly ran me over. In the event, I was lucky it didn't hit me. But I didn't hear it coming, so when it passed at high speed within millimetres of me my old heart was put under significant strain.

I've jumped out of perfectly serviceable aircraft at great height with no more than a bit of nylon to slow my descent. I've driven at 150mph on public roads that I shared with strangers. I've walked alone through South African townships at the height of Apartheid. I've abseiled down high cliff faces. I've ridden a yak that had massive horns. But at no time did I feel as close to death as I did whilst walking to Tesco this morning. All thanks to an electric vehicle.

You may well be thinking that I should be more careful when walking so as not to put myself in danger. But walking down the inside of a shopping mall? The EV in question was a mobility scooter with a fat old guy at the helm. I don't know what speed it was doing, but I walk faster than average (even when pushing a Tesco trolley!) and the guy shot past me.

I've just looked up the maximum legal speeds for mobility scooters in the UK: 4mph (average walking speed) on pavements and 8mph on public roads. I've often seen the former exceeded quite considerably.

A quick Google search tells me that I was lucky. People have been killed by mobility scooters. One lady who died was queuing to pay at Morrisons when she was hit, twice! The driver has never been identified after leaving the scene, but police judged them not to have committed a crime!

Mobility scooters involved in crashes almost every day, data reveals

Mobility scooters are involved in crashes almost every day, with more than 100 victims seriously hurt and nine people killed in a year, shocking data reveals.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[BTB 500]

The clue’s in the name: it’s a Congestion charge.

The objective being to reduce congestion in very central London, while raising taxes for the Mayor’s preferred voter group projects.

It was phased in via diesels and old tech pollution, but in the long term it’s all about reducing traffic and shoving people onto empty buses and tube trains

Buses and trains don't work too well for deliveries, tradesmen, etc. though. So van traffic levels will likely remain the same - the only difference will be that BEV van operators will be paying £15 a day per vehicle.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Buses and trains don't work too well for deliveries, tradesmen, etc. though. So van traffic levels will likely remain the same - the only difference will be that BEV van operators will be paying £15 a day per vehicle.

For sure, my point was that it’s there to reduce congestion primarily, so when a van driver avoids driving through Central London, it counts as a win.

Van traffic levels have already dropped substantially as anyone just outside the zone will explain. The fekkers skirt round the Congestion zone to get to the other side.

The stupidity is that a van driver staying in the Congestion zone for eight hours is getting tremendous value for money, while the Granny driving for 15 minutes to a Central London hospital is paying the same amount

 

[markjay]

Buses and trains don't work too well for deliveries, tradesmen, etc. though. So van traffic levels will likely remain the same - the only difference will be that BEV van operators will be paying £15 a day per vehicle.

I think that the idea is to ensure that only those who need to drive their van into central London, do so.

The majority of Vans that I see on the streets in London belong to national companies (British Gas, BT, Virgin Media, Hyperoptic, Openreach, KwikFit, ATS, Amazon, UPS/DHL/ParcelForce/DPD/FedEx etc, supermarket deliveries, etc etc), and these will simply pay-up and keep dispatching their vans into London.

The rest are tradesmen, and again, they'll continue to drive for their livelihoods.

In all cases, any additional costs will be incurred by the consumers. Which isn't new: the cost of a cup of coffee from Pret in a paper cup is £3.80. This is living in London.... if I want to pay £1.50 for my coffee I have to drive well out of town.

The point is that unless you works for a company, or drive your van for a living, you'll avoid driving it into central London. Which sounds fair to me.

 

[markjay]

The stupidity is that a van driver staying in the Congestion zone for eight hours is getting tremendous value for money, while the Granny driving for 15 minutes to a Central London hospital is paying the same amount

How very true. The same applies to Ubers. They pay only once, then drive for hours. Per-mile charging, anyone? I am in favour.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

How very true. The same applies to Ubers. They pay only once, then drive for hours. Per-mile charging, anyone? I am in favour.

Already in the plan.

160 people working on it, plus contract engineers.

The technologists have costed it all out. (£150 million)

Heck, people who live in Central London can afford this. They're rich.

Mayor of London reportedly investing £150m in technology to deliver pay-per-mile RUC platform

www.roaduserchargingconference.co.uk

 

[ALFAitalia]

"Reportedly".... is not quite the same as "happening"!

 

[BTB 500]

The point is that unless you works for a company, or drive your van for a living, you'll avoid driving it into central London. Which sounds fair to me.

My point was that removing a current incentive for buying a BEV van (exemption from the congestion charge) isn't exactly going to help sales, which are already struggling. Needing to achieve 10% market share in 2024 to avoid ZEV mandate fines, the current figure for Q1-3 is 4.8% (down from 5.5% in the same period last year).

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Which isn't new: the cost of a cup of coffee from Pret in a paper cup is £3.80. This is living in London.... if I want to pay £1.50 for my coffee I have to drive well out of town.

Blimey, how far do you drive for your coffee, because a small coffee starts at more than £3 here and at this moment I’m a 3 hour drive from “London” according to Google Maps!

PS Whilst I don’t take advantage of it - because I enjoy my extra hot Venti skinny wet blonde decaf latte with an extra shot, half yak’s milk half oat milk, with two shots of rainbow berry syrup so much - however Starbucks filter coffee comes with free refills.

 

[poormansporsche]

I have a Nissan Leaf

I frequent the Leaf Facebook page occasionally.

£uck me, what a bunch of penny pinching nutters.

Tip of the day "When on the Motorway, slipstream the rear of Lorries to gain the most range" etc etc etc

FFS

It's a good job I get free leccy because if I ever turned into one of those I'd have shoot to myself

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I have a Nissan Leaf

I frequent the Leaf Facebook page occasionally.

£uck me, what a bunch of penny pinching nutters.

Tip of the day "When on the Motorway, slipstream the rear of Lorries to gain the most range" etc etc etc

FFS

It's a good job I get free leccy because if I ever turned into one of those I'd have shoot to myself

It must be nerve wracking!