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I’m certainly no expert on Teslas but briefly looking at those links, one had a replacement motor (not a battery) and another one had a 12v battery replaced (they had the main battery pack repaired it seems?)

Again the average mileage on these you link to is quite high, which means that they would have saved a significant amount in fuel and other running costs too. Noted that one with over 300k miles has free charging also.

Strong residuals too :thumb:

What would a ten year old MB with 300k miles have cost in fuel and maintenance costs? And what would the residual value be now at that mileage?

Noted the free VED over ten years too.

Interesting though :)
 
Yes I think the VED will go from free to £20 next spring. Might cancel it and renew it for twelve months in March or something 😂

Yeah, I’ll be doing that too. £20 can get me about 800 miles of range. 🤣😭

I'll Defo be doing it. It's a little loophole with EVs. I'll save about 114 quid. Certainly better in my pocket. 🙂👍
 
But I also know that sometimes cars that were designated with certain insurance grouping can be surprisingly cheap or expensive to insure.

Eg try getting a quote for a Range Rover with Keyless go in London - I’m sure there’s cars with much higher grouping that will be cheaper.

Or maybe there’s statistical data linking say young males and Corsas to a disproportionate amount of accidents, skewing the premium - you may be surprised at the quotes for something that’s a little left field.

Yes, agreed.

We looked at slightly larger cars for my son (Astra/Focus size rather than Corsa/Fiesta) as these were typically a bit cheaper for similar age/mileage/condition and we wanted to see if the saving on the car outweighed the extra on insurance. It was only an hour or two on Auto Trader and CompareTheMarket so hardly exhaustive, but it did seem that smaller cars with a lower insurance group were cheaper when you added the purchase and insurance together - for the first year anyway. Which is why they're always in demand, I guess. It all became academic when we were given the C1 anyway (my sister would probably have been unimpressed if we'd sold it the next day and bought something else!) :)

We'll be looking at insurance again when BTB Jr passes his test and becomes policyholder & main driver - if I remember I'll try and get a few quotes for small EVs at the same time.
 
Yes the quote is from Euro NCAP. See the original Auto express article i referenced.
So you lifted it from the Auto Express article? That wasn’t Euro NCAP who said that. Sloppy journalism, I’d say as Tom Jervis from Auto Express didn’t make it clear that it was ETSC who said that in their News, and it was picked up by Auto Express and a few other websites.

 
Plenty of Model S's ads on autotrader with replacement HV batteries and drive motors stated in the description.
Because of the concerns about longevity of EV batteries and the cost of replacement it is seen as a positive when selling an EV, whereas there’s a bit of stigma associated with a replacement gearbox or motor in an ICE and so most often avoided. Funny old world.
 
Because of the concerns about longevity of EV batteries and the cost of replacement it is seen as a positive when selling an EV, whereas there’s a bit of stigma associated with a replacement gearbox or motor in an ICE and so most often avoided. Funny old world.
It’s interesting how those who don’t have an EV are the most concerned about longevity or range.
 
whereas there’s a bit of stigma associated with a replacement gearbox or motor in an ICE and so most often avoided.

Engines and gearboxes very rarely need replacing (as opposed to repairing) on modern mass production cars ... I've been driving since 1977 and have never needed either on any car I've owned (and I've had some pretty old & high mileage ones). Our last 'banger' (a 1996 Audi A4 estate that was my wife's before we married) became an economic write off when it needed a new steering rack - so it went in part-ex against an S203 :)

More exotic low volume cars are a different matter and can need engine rebuilds in particular at quite low mileages. I think total replacement is still pretty rare though.
 
How are young drivers going to insure small cars like these when they are the only option available?
A FIAT 500e (group 16) was within £100 or so of the Smart ForFour (group 2) when my daughter was getting quotes earlier this year when she first passed her test. It surprised me how little difference it made.
 
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I can guarantee that a group 31 car would be a lot more than that (for any given insurance company / driver / address / etc.), otherwise youngsters wouldn't all be running round in small-engined Corsas/Fiestas/etc. for the first few years.
Driving a Fiesta, Corsa or another car popular with just-passed drivers is a sure fire way of making sure that premiums are higher.

The risk loading based up the profile of the driver and car is huge for those models - many claims by 17-21 year olds driving Fiesta.

However there are nowhere near as many for those driving Honda Jazz, Daewoo Matiz - and the insurance premiums reflects this.
 
A FIAT 500e (group 16) was within £100 or so of the Smart ForFour (group 2) when my daughter was getting quotes earlier this year. It surprised me how little difference it made.

How long had your daughter had her licence, and what was the actual premium on the 500e?
 
Driving a Fiesta, Corsa or another car popular with just-passed drivers is a sure fire way of making sure that premiums are higher.

Hmm ... not entirely convinced, I think they are popular because they are cheap to insure. Very few youngsters (that I know, anyway) actually aspire to driving these cars - they put up with them for a year as a way of building some NCD.
 
It’s interesting how those who don’t have an EV are the most concerned about longevity or range.
I think it’s called ‘Confirmation Bias’ - they’re keen to form an polarised opinion then research to try and justify their position, often moving goalposts or looking for new evidence to support their view.

Most will quietly change in time though! ;)

My views on EVs are the same before and after I bought one (and it’s only a baby of an EV as they go!)

If anything, I’m biased to ICE vehicles only as I have more of them! :)
 
Hmm ... not entirely convinced, I think they are popular because they are cheap to insure. Very few youngsters (that I know, anyway) actually aspire to driving these cars - they put up with them for a year as a way of building some NCD.
I think they’re also popular as a lot of younger drivers like ‘cool’ looking sporty hatchbacks. Don’t see many 17 year olds walking around in suits either - but many casual clothes are more expensive to buy.

We looked at slightly larger cars for my son (Astra/Focus size rather than Corsa/Fiesta) as these were typically a bit cheaper for similar age/mileage/condition and we wanted to see if the saving on the car outweighed the extra on insurance. It was only an hour or two on Auto Trader and CompareTheMarket so hardly exhaustive, but it did seem that smaller cars with a lower insurance group were cheaper when you added the purchase and insurance together - for the first year anyway. Which is why they're always in demand, I guess. It all became academic when we were given the C1 anyway (my sister would probably have been unimpressed if we'd sold it the next day and bought something else!) :)

We'll be looking at insurance again when BTB Jr passes his test and becomes policyholder & main driver - if I remember I'll try and get a few quotes for small EVs at the same time.
Funny enough my first car was a 2.0. I did try some quotes on a 1.x Ford Fiesta but it worked out cheaper to insure a 2.0 Ghia 4x4 Sapphire. Strange but true! No idea on the insurance grouping but clearly the Sierra would have been higher.

I’ve never been keen on small cars anyway so it didn’t worry me although a few of my friends at the time were buying new Corsas and I think the Citroen Saxo as they had free insurance deals with them (was 2 years on the Corsa which was £8k at the time). They were specifically marketed as the ‘SXI’ with a few goodies thrown in as what young driver doesn’t like the idea of a ‘sporty’ and stylish Corsa?

My Sapphire cost me £900 and I liked it at the time but I’m sure some would have preferred the styling/image of a brand new car. Mine was about ten years old and had around 100k miles IIRC.
 
How long had your daughter had her licence, and what was the actual premium on the 500e?
She got the quotes on the day she passed her test, and it was around £1480 with every option added like courtesy car, legal cover breakdown assistance. She didn’t need them - the car came with Fiat breakdown assistance - but felt more comfortable with them added.

If I remember right she would have saved £120 or so had she had unticked those additional boxes. She later got a rebate when she added her Mom to the policy, which I seem to remember would have been around £150 full year saving had she added her Mom at the beginning of the policy, so it could have been as little as £1200 ish.
 
Of course, I was young once (and I’m sure most insurance quotes for me were around £1-1.5k back then) so £3k seems reasonable for a new driver these days.

But I also know that sometimes cars that were designated with certain insurance grouping can be surprisingly cheap or expensive to insure.

Eg try getting a quote for a Range Rover with Keyless go in London - I’m sure there’s cars with much higher grouping that will be cheaper.

Or maybe there’s statistical data linking say young males and Corsas to a disproportionate amount of accidents, skewing the premium - you may be surprised at the quotes for something that’s a little left field.

I always bought and insured my own cars. Sure I added named drivers when I was in my teens (and they did occasionally drive) but this wasn’t ‘fronting’ and I’m sure the industry is well aware of the usual tricks etc anyway.
I guess you’re a bit younger than me ….

When I passed my test , my dad put me on his fleet insurance which covered all the family cars , plus all the vehicles in his road haulage business ; I could even drive the trucks on L plates with my dad sitting beside me .

The first car I bought with my own money was my Ponton , that was in 1982 when I was 24 . A policy on Classic insurance was around £60 with a limit of 3000 miles , no hardship when I had access to three or four other cars , a few vans and a Land Rover .

When I got my 125cc motorbike shortly after , ISTR road tax and insurance were something like £12 and £17 , but not sure which was which . I do remember the insurance was a rider policy with Norwich Union and allowed me to drive any bike up to 250cc , but my full car licence , which acted as a provisional for the bike , limited me to 125cc , in those days no need to sit a test as I could run around on L plates forever , but I did sit and pass my part 1 bike test on the day of the Live Aid concert in 1985 ; alas the engine blew up before I got my date for the part 2 test , so I gave the bike away to a pal and never sat the part 2 , nor ever got another bike . I should have just hired a course bike to sit the test then I’d have still had my full bike licence . That little bike was cheap as chips to run , a couple of quid filled the tank and that did me all week ; think it had 5000 miles on it when I bought it , and after three years I’d racked it up to 90 odd thousand as I went everywhere on it .

I also remember a mate looking at vehicles and comparing insurances , and the cheapest vehicle by far , for him to insure , was an old Series Land Rover , which he bought and insured for about £30 , still a bit of money in the early 80s
 
So Hyundai sell nice EVs. But sit in a Ioniq 5 or 6 and it feels cheap. The journalists reviewing the things don't seem to make a big thing about this. Customers in the showroom may take another opinion. So sit in a MB EQC or EQE and it feels rather nicer - but then - price.

VW ID.whatever - cheap. The latest adverts for the ID.5 do it no favours....

I have to disagree.

I test-drove the ID.4 and the IONIQ 5, before settling on the IONIQ 5.

Both cars felt inside as expected - basic, low-cost materials, but well put together and decent fit and finish.

I don't anything anyone expects luxury from a Hyundai or a VW (with the exception of the now extinct Phaeton). If I wanted MB EQC or EQE luxury, I would look at Genesis (upmarket Hyundai) or Audi (upmarket VW).

You could however, argue, that inspite of the low-end brand, people expect more from a £35k+ Hyundai or VW. Well, that's just a matter of misconception - with EV, you pay for tech (the R&D runs into billions, and will need to be recouped), and for the battery.

My other car is a Suzuki. Again, basic materials, but very high build quality. I am happy with my cars this way. Nothing wrong with having dash coveted in Connolly leather... if you're into this sort of thing. But I'm happy with a well-designed and well-built car with an interior made of synthetic polymers (a posh term for plastic.... ).
 
Hmm ... not entirely convinced, I think they are popular because they are cheap to insure. Very few youngsters (that I know, anyway) actually aspire to driving these cars - they put up with them for a year as a way of building some NCD.
I found out when I was in my late twenties, and a brand new 996 Turbo S cost buttons more to insure than my few-years old Astra Coupe Turbo. I suspected it may be the case - from some quotes I ran in my teens on unusual hot hatches (such as Daihatsu Charade Gtti) compared to the pppular ones - so I asked for a quote on the 911.

The underwriter explained that the combination of a very unusual car and a very unusual type of driver for that car means that the statistics are on the insured party’s side, and he was right. He said the likelihood of a claim from the combined profile is very very low and so it doesn’t require additional risk loading added to the the high probability combinations.

More recently my daughter’s ex-boyfriend was paying £13xx on a 20 year old basic Fiesta, was quoted £18xx on a newer Fiesta (not sure on the insurance group) and £19xx on any AMG (group 50) he tried except C 63 - he didn’t try GT, SLS or Black Series models for obvious reasons. All were with the same insurer.

Insurance premiums are very dependent upon personal circumstances but it’s worked out for me. Have a play with Baby BTB’s details when the time comes.
 
I’m certainly no expert on Teslas but briefly looking at those links, one had a replacement motor (not a battery) and another one had a 12v battery replaced (they had the main battery pack repaired it seems?)

Again the average mileage on these you link to is quite high, which means that they would have saved a significant amount in fuel and other running costs too.

Anecdotal but I noticed a couple of 5 year old Model 3s that had needed new batteries at much more modest mileages. Struck me as odd because I'd have thought too old for a manufacturing defect to pop up but not enough use for wear & tear to be an issue?


24k miles:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410185361741?sort=relevance&twcs=true&searchId=d65a9726-bee4-4c63-8d30-e6c58568ba2c&advertising-location=at_cars&keywords=new battery&make=Tesla&postcode=kt12 3hs&fromsra


68k miles:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202412147289894?sort=relevance&twcs=true&searchId=0e7625ba-a2a9-4c00-b8d5-551b7620e011&advertising-location=at_cars&keywords=replaced&make=Tesla&postcode=kt12 3hs&fromsra
 

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