The EV fact thread

[clk320x]

Or mine if you’d rather

Oi I was first

 

[BTB 500]

OVO offers 7p per kWh at any time, although this is using 'smart charging' where they presumably turn the supply on and off as required to balance load on the network. You can override this though and pay the normal domestic tariff:

Charge Anytime EV add-on | OVO Energy

Get the UK’s lowest rate whenever you smart charge your electric vehicle at home. Just 7p per kWh when you add Charge Anytime to any OVO Energy plan.

www.ovoenergy.com

 

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You can't stop a Li Ion fire by depriving it of oxygen - it's self-sustaining. But a blanket like that could help prevent it spreading to adjacent vehicles/structures.

The fact has resulted in the death of cargo airline pilots. On detection of a fire in the cargo hold one of the options they have is to vent the hold to atmosphere because at normal cruising altitudes there is then insufficient oxygen to sustain a normal fire and it will go out. When this has been done in an attempt to control a lithium battery fire in the hold it hasn't worked and the cargo plane was lost.

Alone in the Inferno: The crash of UPS Airlines flight 6

An interest outcome of the investigation is that it was determined that Lithium batteries represent a lower risk if not fully charged. There is now a regulation in place that forbids Lithium batteries to be flown as cargo above 30% state of charge. That doesn't apply when you fly with your laptop or phone but it's worth bearing in mind. We fly with so many lithium batteries in portable devices that I expect they are trained to deal with them and have some sort of containment on hand to drop a burning device into. I don't suppose it will put the fire out but hopefully stops it spreading.

 

[markjay]

The fact has resulted in the death of cargo airline pilots. On detection of a fire in the cargo hold one of the options they have is to vent the hold to atmosphere because at normal cruising altitudes there is then insufficient oxygen to sustain a normal fire and it will go out. When this has been done in an attempt to control a lithium battery fire in the hold it hasn't worked and the cargo plane was lost.

Alone in the Inferno: The crash of UPS Airlines flight 6

An interest outcome of the investigation is that it was determined that Lithium batteries represent a lower risk if not fully charged. There is now a regulation in place that forbids Lithium batteries to be flown as cargo above 30% state of charge. That doesn't apply when you fly with your laptop or phone but it's worth bearing in mind. We fly with so many lithium batteries in portable devices that I expect they are trained to deal with them and have some sort of containment on hand to drop a burning device into. I don't suppose it will put the fire out but hopefully stops it spreading.

Not related to EVs, but in 1996 ValuJet 592 (DC-9) crashed into the Everglades with loss of all 110 souls on board after oxygen canisters stored in the cargo hold spontaneously combusted.

 

[Noitz]

Why? There overnight tariff has nothing to do with there EV tariff. Has it? Separate things, aren't they?

Time will tell, just wait and see.

 

[markjay]

Why? There overnight tariff has nothing to do with there EV tariff. Has it? Separate things, aren't they?

The potential issue is that while VAT on night tariff is unlikely to increase from the current 5%, VAT on EV tariff could well be increased to 20% (as is currently the case with electricity from public chargers).

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Absolutely. The writing is on the wall for cheap EV ICE ownership.

Fixed that for you

 

[del320]

I don't recall much prominence being given to this little nugget.

Para. 7 illustrates the all-pervasive culture of ****-covering.

(s'pose we better keep the politics outa this)

 

[W1ghty]

Why? There overnight tariff has nothing to do with there EV tariff. Has it? Separate things, aren't they?

I think it’s just an indication that an energy company can suddenly hit you with a big electric cost change at a time when we are all being told that electricity is the future for everything.

 

[W1ghty]

Fixed that for you

I think it’s more that ANY cheap motoring is coming to and end .

 

[grober]

According to the video comments the red car on fire in question was a Jaguar I-Pace. Are they still assembled by MAGNA-STEYR in Austria? The fire chief also had some interesting remarks about folks charging electric scooters and bikes in sole exit hallways

 

[BTB 500]

I don't recall much prominence being given to this little nugget.

Para. 7 illustrates the all-pervasive culture of ****-covering.

(s'pose we better keep the politics outa this)

Seems the battery lasted for 11 years, which is actually quite impressive. 18 months and £1.5 million to fix it is a bit steep though. Wonder how long the warranty was.

 

[Noitz]

Fixed that for you

How petty, but you just know in your heart of hearts that the ICE isn't going to disappear for a long, long time, if ever.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

How petty, but you just know in your heart of hearts that the ICE isn't going to disappear for a long, long time, if ever.

Indeed ICE is not going anywhere fast, I’ve never heard anyone suggest otherwise. Unfortunately personal mobility will be more expensive in the future, ICE included.

 

[markjay]

How petty, but you just know in your heart of hearts that the ICE isn't going to disappear for a long, long time, if ever.

The most likely scenario is that private cars and vans with IC engines will still be on our roads for around 15 years after they can no longer be sold new. Assuming that the cut-off date isn't pushed back again, we're currently talking around 2050, that's 26 years from now. ICE trucks will take a little longer to disappear. Then boats, ships, and finally airplanes - this will probably take us to 2100.... I will have returned my atoms to the cosmos long before that.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Most things I've read say it will be at least 40 years after 2035 before 90 percent of cars on UK roads are EV..... current EV sales predictions suggest less than 25 percent of cars on the road will be EV by 2035.

 

[Trickythemerc]

A mate of mine has just taken delivery of a BMW X3i M sport. He is still in the honeymoon period with it and all toys that came with it. He paid nearly a grand to have a charge point fitted. £1900. 00 to insure it, must have a tracker fitted.

 

[markjay]

Most things I've read say it will be at least 40 years after 2035 before 90 percent of cars on UK roads are EV..... current EV sales predictions suggest less than 25 percent of cars on the road will be EV by 2035.

Are we taking about private cars only, or does this include the haulage and agriculture industries?

If private cars only, then I'm guessing that this is based on the assumption that the new ICE sales ban won't go ahead?

If it does go ahead as currently scheduled in 2035, then the '40 years' prediction will mean that the youngest ICE cars still on our roads in 2065 will be 25 years old. That's the youngest ones... so 40 years in these circumstances is a very extreme scenario.

But I really don't see us becoming Cuba. The more likely outcome is that either the cut-off date will be pushed back again and again, or the government will make it progressively more difficult and more expensive to run ICE cars (remember the days when cigarettes were cheap and you could smoke anywhere, including on planes? Cigarettes are not illegal now, but it's much more expensive and more difficult if you're a smoker) - or a combination of both.

 

[Petrol Pete]

According to the video comments the red car on fire in question was a Jaguar I-Pace. Are they still assembled by MAGNA-STEYR in Austria? The fire chief also had some interesting remarks about folks charging electric scooters and bikes in sole exit hallways

Just like I have mentioned in two large supermarkets near me they have put the EV chargers a long way away from the supermarket building itself.

In doing so they are right next to the only car park exit . In the unlikely event of an EV fire (or 3) no one in the car park would be able to drive past.

Hardly life threatening but a PITA if you need to be somewhere else while the Fire brigade carry out due diligence/risk assessment or spend half a day trying to put the thing out.

At least someone has thought it through regarding building safety , unlike many underground/airport/hotel owners of car parks who are (or should be ) having a re think.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Are we taking about private cars only, or does this include the haulage and agriculture industries?

If private cars only, then I'm guessing that this is based on the assumption that the new ICE sales ban won't go ahead?

If it does go ahead as currently scheduled in 2035, then the '40 years' prediction will mean that the youngest ICE cars still on our roads in 2065 will be 25 years old. That's the youngest ones... so 40 years in these circumstances is a very extreme scenario.

But I really don't see us becoming Cuba. The more likely outcome is that either the cut-off date will be pushed back again and again, or the government will make it progressively more difficult and more expensive to run ICE cars (remember the days when cigarettes were cheap and you could smoke anywhere, including on planes? Cigarettes are not illegal now, but it's much more expensive and more difficult if you're a smoker) - or a combination of both.

No I'm just talking private cars....based on ICE ban going ahead and on how many new EVs are selling now....predicted future sales.......and the fact that we have about 33 million cars to replace and only about 315,000 BEV were sold in 2023....so we still have less than 1 million BEV cars on UK roads.....that's a long way to go.. That figure is also based on 90% being EV.....dont forget that some people (like me) will never buy EV......so its could easily take 40 years extra to get the last 10% of hardcore petrol heads into EV....if it ever happens. There are many thousands driving old classics well over 40 years old now.....and it will be the same in 40 years time with people driving classic AMGs from way back in 2023!!!.....especially if that petrol head is only , say, 25 years old in 2035.
The only reason we sell anything like as many EV cars as we do is due to the corporate sector.....when most company cars are EV the rate of EV sales growth will slow down....still growing but at a slower rate. New BEV sales are an easy sale to the companies......not so much for many private individuals using their own cash.