Who uses ‘V-Power Diesel’....

[suty455]

Fuel pricing is linked with cost of crude, cost of development, production and distribution etc., but is also strongly linked with marketing and why not? Last time I looked, there really wasn‘t a lot of profit in a litre of diesel or petrol. More margin on a Mars bar in fact.

We should also consider that much of what we pay at the pump is tax and duty.

Although premium diesel fuels do offer some benefits such as improved cleaning or GTL content (depending on who is supplying it), they are in the main offered as a product over which the consumer can make choice. So, they are priced accordingly. If nobody bought them, they would either be cheaper or not offered at all. As it is enough people are prepared to pay the up charge to keep the fuels at the forecourt.

Some people are convinced that the whole premium fuel thing is a con by the oil companies and will never be swayed from that position.

Ah you see thats where they make the Money, the Fuel stations, refinery, transport etc is all tax money, the actual money is made at the well head the rest is smoke and mirrors

 

[suty455]

My guess is that it was the detergent, though you would get the same effect from a bottle of Redex/Forte/Millers/Wynns/BK44.

The clever trick here is to prevent this from happening in the first place... so regular (or occasional) use of premium Diesel, or additive, will prevent that. But then nothing will happen, and you will get this:



It's Catch 22, really...

get rid of the DPF problem solved most diesels will happily run on peanut oil in fact it was the original intended fuel

 

[GeeJayW]

Ah you see thats where they make the Money, the Fuel stations, refinery, transport etc is all tax money, the actual money is made at the well head the rest is smoke and mirrors

Well, if businesses don’t make money, they ain’t businesses… Not smoke and mirrors, just the way the various markets are.

 

[GeeJayW]

get rid of the DPF problem solved most diesels will happily run on peanut oil in fact it was the original intended fuel

Get rid of the DPF and there is too much tailpipe particulate. And, we would need one heck of a lot of peanut oil to replace diesel.

 

[suty455]

Well, if businesses don’t make money, they ain’t businesses… Not smoke and mirrors, just the way the various markets are.

Trust me the retail and refinery operations make nothing because its all purposely classed as expenditure, refining for others eg third party customers is profitable, its the same with many mining operations all the Money is made at the quarry end.
A barrel of oil makes a good profit Petrol makes didly squat once you take out all the expenses but the well owner makes money irrespective

 

[GeeJayW]

Trust me the retail and refinery operations make nothing because its all purposely classed as expenditure, refining for others eg third party customers is profitable, its the same with many mining operations all the Money is made at the quarry end.
A barrel of oil makes a good profit Petrol makes didly squat once you take out all the expenses but the well owner makes money irrespective

Good to know, thanks.

 

[Bellow]

get rid of the DPF problem solved most diesels will happily run on peanut oil in fact it was the original intended fuel

Another rebel without a clue. Shit from their tail pipes and shit from their mouths.

 

[suty455]

Get rid of the DPF and there is too much tailpipe particulate. And, we would need one heck of a lot of peanut oil to replace diesel.

DPF filters dont work they block, they actually use more fuel due to the burn cycles and they limit the ability of the engine to extract maximum calorific value from the fuel by introducing all sorts of checks that are simply to improve the life of the DPF which incidentally is rated for 100000 miles in most cases, EGRs then further compound the issue by shoving unburnable smoky sooty gases into a cooler intake which causes gumming up and reduction of the intake system efficiency and so begins the viscous circle.
Remapping is not only done for perfiomance but also allows the engine to be specifically tuned to be more efficient and extract more from each cycle of the engine, this in turn results in a cleaner exhaust as your extracting more energy per cycle and producing less unburnt waste, if you want to get properly clean then add LPG to your diesel, 25% power increase and vastly reduced emissions as the diesel is combusted far better and soot and particulates are on a par with petrol but with much better MPG, ask your local HGV and Bus company they have been doing it for years.

 

[suty455]

Another rebel without a clue. Shit from their tail pipes and shit from their mouths.

And your qualified how may I ask? you have not got a clue what your talking about simply spoon fed marketing rubbish.

 

[markjay]

get rid of the DPF problem solved most diesels will happily run on peanut oil in fact it was the original intended fuel

But it's illegal... and an MOT fail.

 

[markjay]

... simply spoon fed marketing rubbish.

What 'marketing rubbish' are you referring to? The claimed benefits of fuel additives?

 

[GeeJayW]

DPF filters dont work they block, they actually use more fuel due to the burn cycles and they limit the ability of the engine to extract maximum calorific value from the fuel by introducing all sorts of checks that are simply to improve the life of the DPF which incidentally is rated for 100000 miles in most cases, EGRs then further compound the issue by shoving unburnable smoky sooty gases into a cooler intake which causes gumming up and reduction of the intake system efficiency and so begins the viscous circle.
Remapping is not only done for perfiomance but also allows the engine to be specifically tuned to be more efficient and extract more from each cycle of the engine, this in turn results in a cleaner exhaust as your extracting more energy per cycle and producing less unburnt waste, if you want to get properly clean then add LPG to your diesel, 25% power increase and vastly reduced emissions as the diesel is combusted far better and soot and particulates are on a par with petrol but with much better MPG, ask your local HGV and Bus company they have been doing it for years.

It’s all an emissions trade-off. Tuning Diesel engines for low particulate and better combustion efficiency, results in increased engine-out NOx. Tuning for lower NOx, results in less efficiency and more particulates.

DPFs do work in terms of reducing tailpipe particulate. Yes they do become loaded over time and need to be regenerated which uses additional fuel, but from an urban air quality viewpoint, they are an important exhaust after treatment device.

 

[suty455]

But it's illegal... and an MOT fail.

so is using your mobile whilst driving and doing more than the speed limit, do we all follow the rules to a T?
MOT hmpfh not worth the paper its written on tbh too much emphasis on tick boxes for meaningless systems and not enough on is a car actually safe to be on the road, anyone seen a Toyota diesel Taxi of late belching blue smoke as it struggles to clean its DPF
If need be I can replace the DPF in an hour for the MOT

 

[GeeJayW]

so is using your mobile whilst driving and doing more than the speed limit, do we all follow the rules to a T?
MOT hmpfh not worth the paper its written on tbh too much emphasis on tick boxes for meaningless systems and not enough on is a car actually safe to be on the road, anyone seen a Toyota diesel Taxi of late belching blue smoke as it struggles to clean its DPF
If need be I can replace the DPF in an hour for the MOT

None of that makes it right to remove the DPF.

 

[DSM10000]

so is using your mobile whilst driving and doing more than the speed limit, do we all follow the rules to a T?
MOT hmpfh not worth the paper its written on tbh too much emphasis on tick boxes for meaningless systems and not enough on is a car actually safe to be on the road, anyone seen a Toyota diesel Taxi of late belching blue smoke as it struggles to clean its DPF
If need be I can replace the DPF in an hour for the MOT

The fact that jou try to justify your willingness to break the law because others do so in other aspects of life shows the flaws in your "argument"

So you believe that you have a right to inflict additional pollution on others because you feel they you know better?

What high level qualifications in Engineering and Chemistry do you hold or is this just another example of an "armchair expert" view based on prejudice, arrogance and an over inflated sense of self entitlement?

By your "logic" I feel entitled to set up a Crystal Meth production facility because other people speed, use mobile telephones whilst driving etc but it is OK because I can shut it down in an hour before the Police arrive!

 

[DSM10000]

But it's illegal... and an MOT fail.

No Mark.

Not for the "Special ones" to whom such trivial nonsense doesn't apply.

 

[markjay]

But it's illegal... and an MOT fail.

so is using your mobile whilst driving and doing more than the speed limit, do we all follow the rules to a T?
MOT hmpfh not worth the paper its written on tbh too much emphasis on tick boxes for meaningless systems and not enough on is a car actually safe to be on the road, anyone seen a Toyota diesel Taxi of late belching blue smoke as it struggles to clean its DPF
If need be I can replace the DPF in an hour for the MOT

Be it as it may... it still it's illegal... and still an MOT fail. Best ofuck with whatever you choose to do with your DPF.

 

[markjay]

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...do we all follow the rules to a T? ...

No, we do not. But then we don't go bragging about it on public Internet forums...

 

[DSM10000]

No, we do not. But then we don't go bragging about it on public Internet forums...
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Another prime example of the fact that whilst you may explain it to some people you cannot understand it for them!

 

[suty455]

No, we do not. But then we don't go bragging about it on public Internet forums...
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Lol I dont have a tin hat do you really think the MOT police scour the internet looking for DPF posts? Have I actually done what I say I have or am I just trolling you?
There pick the bones out of that one