2 die in M1 wrong way crash

[cb1965]

How are you safely going to get to the hard shoulder in the event of (say) a blowout when the traffic on your left is over/undertaking you at 70mph?

Er this is such a strange remark (although not an unsurprising one given the general standard of posters on this forum) I genuinely do not know where to begin.

If you have a blowout on a motorway you would hope that those around you are aware enough to give you space etc. regardless of their speed or road position. In Australia and the US where overtaking on the inside is allowed I have never seen any issues with it causing any problems (quite the opposite), but then I will grant you that, on average, drivers in those countries are generally better than those in the UK and have less of an ego to boot.

Most UK drivers could do with a lesson in manners, patience and road sense! The nonsense posted on the joining a dual carriageway thread is a very good example of everything wrong with driving in this joke of a country!

 

[flango]

^ Well said that man

 

[Dryce]

In Australia and the US where overtaking on the inside is allowed

Most UK drivers could do with a lesson in manners, patience and road sense! The nonsense posted on the joining a dual carriageway thread is a very good example of everything wrong with driving in this joke of a country!

And yet the UK accident stats are better than both these countries.

The traffic here may irritate you but compared with almost every where else in the world and despite the high density of population the UK tends to be a safer place to drive than just about any other country on the planet.

And coincidentally we don't allow undertaking ...

Maybe not a coincidence.

 

[Bellow]

Er this is such a strange remark (although not an unsurprising one given the general standard of posters on this forum) I genuinely do not know where to begin.

If you have a blowout on a motorway you would hope that those around you are aware enough to give you space etc. regardless of their speed or road position. In Australia and the US where overtaking on the inside is allowed I have never seen any issues with it causing any problems (quite the opposite), but then I will grant you that, on average, drivers in those countries are generally better than those in the UK and have less of an ego to boot.

Most UK drivers could do with a lesson in manners, patience and road sense! The nonsense posted on the joining a dual carriageway thread is a very good example of everything wrong with driving in this joke of a country!

Your usual contempt for anyone's views but your own - but no explanation as to how to get to the hard shoulder in an emergency when others are whizzing by at 70mph on your left.

 

[cb1965]

Your usual contempt for anyone's views but your own - but no explanation as to how to get to the hard shoulder in an emergency when others are whizzing by at 70mph on your left.

290 million Americans and 27 million Aussies maybe able to help you with the answer. Are you thick?

 

[cb1965]

And yet the UK accident stats are better than both these countries.

The traffic here may irritate you but compared with almost every where else in the world and despite the high density of population the UK tends to be a safer place to drive than just about any other country on the planet.

And coincidentally we don't allow undertaking ...

Maybe not a coincidence.

If you look at the stats for freeways I think you'll find Australia is safer. Most fatals in Aus occur on single carriageway roads due to the geography of the country, but you carry on making the undertaking connection if you think you can undertake on single carriageway roads

 

[davidjpowell]

I remember my Grandfather who lived in the metropolis of youngsters known as Highcliffe on Sea near Bournemouth. He was a responsible man, a former GP who had saved may lives in his career, but would not give up driving in his 90's, despite cataracts.

He was due to have an eye examination which we all felt would be the end - but somehow he passed it. The issue was eventually resolved when he crashed it once too often and the car was written off, never to be replaced.

I'm not sure how you can resolve this - without a whole load of resources being put in place.

An interesting fact - mainly for Flania - He was a GP for many years in Mexborough. His funeral was led by a Methodist Minister who came from Goldthorpe (a former minor with an interesting past). My grandfather had treated the minister as a child for a head wound. It's a small world.

 

[grober]

while i agree that there's good and bad drivers in every age group, that particular statistic is useless, because there's far more 20-24 year old drivers than 17-19 or over 70s.

We need percentages.

see post #4

 

[John]

Bearing in mind the topic of the thread I don't think that any amount of education is going to prevent old grunters going the wrong way up a motorway.

Are you suggesting all old people have flatulence issues?

 

[flango]

Your usual contempt for anyone's views but your own - but no explanation as to how to get to the hard shoulder in an emergency when others are whizzing by at 70mph on your left.

I'm not following this line of thinking so maybe I'm missing something

If you are in Lane 1 then nothing will pass on your left and you have safe egress to the hard shoulder

If you are in Lane 2 you are overtaking a slower moving vehicles in lane 1 so have that traffic to deal with before you can reach the hard shoulder

If you are in Lane 3 then your position is significantly worse than being in lane 2 as you now have 2 lanes of slower moving traffic to deal with before you can reach the hard shoulder.

All of which is actually irrelevant as anyone who has had a blow out on a motorway at speed will know. The first step is not to get to the shoulder but to stabilse the car and avoid hitting others around you by taking speed out of the situation. As already posted others around you will figure out whats happening and usually give you space, in the event they don't your goal is to get to a speed where you can cross to the hard shoulder but thats after the drama is over and everythings under control.

 

[Dryce]

All of which is actually irrelevant as anyone who has had a blow out on a motorway at speed will know. The first step is not to get to the shoulder but to stabilse the car and avoid hitting others around you by taking speed out of the situation. As already posted others around you will figure out whats happening and usually give you space, in the event they don't your goal is to get to a speed where you can cross to the hard shoulder but thats after the drama is over and everythings under control.

Having had a bike lose its front in the outer lane of a motorway I think I've had it worse than some might in a car.

And I think it's very relevant.

Slowing down while having only limited directional control - the probability that the vehicles to your left were travelling no faster than you - and
possibly rather slower is a major benefit.

 

[flango]

Having had a bike lose its front in the outer lane of a motorway I think I've had it worse than some might in a car.

And I think it's very relevant.

Slowing down while having only limited directional control - the probability that the vehicles to your left were travelling no faster than you - and
possibly rather slower is a major benefit.

I don't see how its a benefit, if you collide with one of them at 50 mph or 70 mph the result is going to be virtually the same. OK on a bike maybe worse at 70 mph but bikers only constitute 1% of UK Motorway traffic so not a good example really.

I've had several high speed blowouts like the one below

All happened in Lane 3 at speed the one above with 4 people and luggage, had to stop the car from going into a spin but never hit anything and brought it to a momentary stop in lane 3 before progressing to the hard shoulder, where the traffic in lanes 2 and 1 let me across. The traffic to my left was 70 mph or greater and it made no difference whatsoever neither would it have done if the lane was moving slower

 

[Dryce]

The traffic to my left was 70 mph or greater and it made no difference whatsoever neither would it have done if the lane was moving slower

It will make a difference - because traffic in lanes to the left of you will have less energy and momentum because undertaking is generally avoided.

If they have to take evasive action they can slow down quicker and they have the same implicit advantage if trying to move left because traffic in the lanes to their left will have the same or even lower energy/momentum.

You may not perceive an advantage but it's logically there - and not just for a vehicle that has a problem in the outer lane - but for all the other vehicles behind in the same lane and in the lane or lanes to the left.

 

[Bellow]

290 million Americans and 27 million Aussies maybe able to help you with the answer.

Better than you can. All mouth and no answers.

Are you thick?

Your attitude on this forum is deplorable. The sooner you are banned the better.

 

[TheFoX]

Motorways are another sore point. Some people seem to think that they are entitled to sit in the middle lane regardless of traffic, forcing those driving courteously to have to move two lanes to overtake. Also, what about those who persist in staying in the outside lane, and who flatly refuse to move over to allow faster moving traffic to pass.

On my way back from Northamptonshire, I was stuck on behind someone pottering along at 60mph on a dual carriageway (National Speed Limit of 70mph). No amount of horn blasting or light flashing would encourage them to pull over, so I pulled over and cruised at 60 on the left hand land. More and more motorists pulled up behind this car, and tried to encourage it to pull over, but to no avail.

Needless to say, some motorists got ****** off and undertook this vehicle. Did he care? Not on your life. He wasn't going to change lanes for anyone, and no one was going to force him to, either.

It is attitudes like this that can lead to accidents as people sometimes take rash decisions to get passed someone that is being an ****.

 

[cb1965]

Better than you can. All mouth and no answers.

The answer is obvious! The fact you claim not to know the answer is what led to my question and nothing you are saying here is persuading me not to ask it again!

Your attitude on this forum is deplorable. The sooner you are banned the better.

Oh for goodness sake get over yourself!

PS Use the RTM button if my comment has 'hurt' you so badly! Jeez!!!!

 

[219]

Motorways are another sore point. Some people seem to think that they are entitled to sit in the middle lane regardless of traffic, forcing those driving courteously to have to move two lanes to overtake. Also, what about those who persist in staying in the outside lane, and who flatly refuse to move over to allow faster moving traffic to pass.

On my way back from Northamptonshire, I was stuck on behind someone pottering along at 60mph on a dual carriageway (National Speed Limit of 70mph). No amount of horn blasting or light flashing would encourage them to pull over, so I pulled over and cruised at 60 on the left hand land. More and more motorists pulled up behind this car, and tried to encourage it to pull over, but to no avail.

Needless to say, some motorists got ****** off and undertook this vehicle. Did he care? Not on your life. He wasn't going to change lanes for anyone, and no one was going to force him to, either.

It is attitudes like this that can lead to accidents as people sometimes take rash decisions to get passed someone that is being an ****.

I must admit that if I am driving along in lane one on an otherwise quiet motorway or DCW , and catch up with someone dawdling needlessly in one of the other lanes , I will generally slow on the approach to give them the chance to pull in : if they do I'll pass them on the right ; if they don't I'll give them a 'toot' before passing in the lane I'm in .

It isn't hard to use the lanes correctly , anyone who doesn't know the rules has no business being on the road , and those too lazy to observe them deserve the book thrown at them .

 

[Koolvin]

@cb1965 = behave!

 

[BTB 500]

This is being reported as an 'elderly driver' incident this morning:

Guildford shopping centre car crash: Seven people including baby and toddler hit as vehicle ploughs into crowd | Home News | News | The Independent

 

[Howard]

They're everywhere !