260 cars in German motorway crash

[V12]

Having lived in Germany for a couple of years and for at least a year, driving on the autobahn daily, i can vouch for it being a MUCH safer place to be than the motorways in our country. I also drive on the motorway daily here and would guess that i see maybe 3 to 4 times more accidents on the motorways. (maybe we're just lunatics down south!)
Yes, in fairness the motorways here are so much more congested compared to the autobahns so it's hardly a fair comparison...

 

[mercedes lover]

If anyone needs some Merc parts best keep an eye on ebay.de over the next few weeks!

Lol! A tiny bit distasteful but just couldn't help but laugh

 

[vibesg]

Speed and wet weather were the culprits. I saw the news clip and regretted al that Souped up German Exotica going to waste. tHERE

 

[vibesg]

Typing too fast. There were AMGs M Sports, Oettingers, Porsches and TTs all going to scrap yards. Its not all glamour on German Autobahns as I noticed some boring Golf Estates etc.

 

[Howard]

Let's hope Germany will soon accept the same sort of speed limits that we have in the rest of Europe.

And that they limit the cubic capacity of cars to 1.0L too ?

 

[pos.k]

OK - congestion aside - the single most dangerous aspect of UK motorways is the complete lack of respect for other drivers coupled with non-existent lane discipline.
If this was increased to levels approaching that which you generally (but not always) find on the main European routes, there would be far less accidents and congestion.

 

[R129mine]

i read today that the number of deaths per 100.000 has come down in the UK from about 6 to 5 (roughly( due to the recession (less travelling) and the German figure has also come down but the number of deaths per 100.000 is higher than in the UK, Holland has lowest, France and Finland highest in Europe with Germany somewhere in the middle, I saw the table in the metro paper but have not seen it online yet. so German driving may seem safer than in the UK but the number of deaths per 100.000 is higher than in the UK.

 

[st4]

And that they limit the cubic capacity of cars to 1.0L too ?

A sterling suggestion. I assume no sub 1000cc cars allowed on motorways In Germany. That will speed up progress in lanes 1-3.

A similar strategy could be deployed over here banning 1litre cars from out of town driving, and sub 1600cc cars from the motorway :bannana: (after all the more carbon dioxides you emit, the more you pay in tax, so for that you really should get access to roads that lower carbon dioxide cars do not).

 

[LimitedSlip]

A similar strategy could be deployed over here banning 1litre cars from out of town driving, and sub 1600cc cars from the motorway

(after all the more carbon dioxides you emit, the more you pay in tax, so for that you really should get access to roads that lower carbon dioxide cars do not).

I'm not arguing technically with what you say ***, but Jeez! How complex must it all get? This emission, that emission, this c.c., that c.c., access here, no access there... punitive this, less punitive allowance that! All whilst vehicles are putting out way less of everything than they used to only a few years ago (precious metals from CATs excepted). What a silly recondite load of tosh it's all becoming

If the authorities actually did or intended to do anything about the reputed climate damage with the huge revenue taken from vehicular use, it would be seen that there is already in existence a perfectly fair, simple and linear system: drive a vehicle that does 20mpg and pay exactly double the fuel tax of driving one that achieves 40mpg.

(The minutea of grams of carbon is a smokescreen for the other agenda IMO).

 

[st4]

I'm not arguing technically with what you say ***, but Jeez! How complex must it all get? This emission, that emission, this c.c., that c.c., access here, no access there... punitive this, less punitive allowance that! All whilst vehicles are putting out way less of everything than they used to only a few years ago (precious metals from CATs excepted). What a silly recondite load of tosh it's all becoming

If the authorities actually did or intended to do anything about the reputed climate damage with the huge revenue taken from vehicular use, it would be seen that there is already in existence a perfectly fair, simple and linear system: drive a vehicle that does 20mpg and pay exactly double the fuel tax of driving one that achieves 40mpg.

(The minutea of grams of carbon is a smokescreen for the other agenda IMO).

It was a tounge and cheek remark designed to prevoke response and debate which it has done.

I agree with all you say. Fuel duty is the most effective CO2 come car usage tax there is. The more inefficient the car, the more fuel used, so the more tax made. The more uneconomical usage pattern like driving in town uses more fuel so fuel duty is so clever it works as a self administering congestion charge.

So how does VED fit into this. Its a small tax, but one that alienates and discriminates against cars when they are not driving and not emitting this red herring (for that is what it is) CO2.

Why should a car that pays less VED get the same privildge as one that pays more? Should small and unsafe cars really be allowed on unsafe roads? Is a Daewoo Matiz really a safe car to drive on the M6. Afterall, in germany large high CO2 cars can't go into the city centers as they are deemed unsuitable, so lets stimulate the thinking that small cars too are unfit for some driving conditions that they are subjected too.

 

[silversilver]

Living in Hamburg, I use the autobahns everyday, and one of the first things you notice are that generally when you are in the fast lane at decent speeds 120mph+ people will almost always pull to the side and let you pass. I have lost count of the amount of times I have done the same in the UK, at much much lower speeds, and more often than not the car will stubbornly block your progress...usually a VW golf or a 3 series BM.... would agree that tailgating is much scarier in Germany though...way too dangerous

 

[LimitedSlip]

It was a tounge and cheek remark designed to prevoke response and debate which it has done.

Got me!

 

[G-Force]

I spoke to my brother, he stays in Bielefeld - a few Km's away from the accident, he wasn't involved in it but stuck in the tail back....the rain was really chucking it down something terrible and visibility was crap...the section of road was under a restriction at the time but too many people weren't paying enough attention and not leaving enough of a safety gap

Silly Germans....good job they build a safe car