Boy racers not signalling and tailgating an inch from your rear!!

[Merc-C180K]

WHERE ARE THE POLICE WHEN YOU NEED THEM????????? NO YOUR NOT STUPID these days he could of pulled out a knife or even worse a gun!!!!!!!!!!

Was it the Car, the music or his driving which made you think he was an armed criminal?

 

[swann]

hi

In My Opinion

Worst on the road are the elderly. Don't indicate, don't have insurance, tax, mot or no what day it is, pull out in front of you, stop in the middle of the road whilst looking for a parking space and learned to drive back in the day when a whip was all that was needed to make the cart go faster.

Worst experience.

Guy pulls out of a one way street (the wrong way) I beep at him and he stops the car and out pop 5 or 6 scallies heading in my direction with more than their fists.

That is the only time I have driven in a manor which had no concern for what might have been behind me. Thankfully there was nothing.

 

[chriswt]

Good point 'some' elderly are dangerous but their accidents are probably going to happen at much lower speeds. They don't drive as much as they used to and are coming to the end of their driving career.

Younger drivers have just started their 50 plus years of driving and so their failings, if they continue, are much more of a concern.

My reactions and ability to read ahead are fairly good and so anticipating what an old duffer is going to do in a car park or crawling up a road at 10mph is a lot easier to react to than trying to read the mind of a young inexperienced lad doing 60mph in a Nova!

Old people tend to not be as aware of what’s going on around them so when you see one you need to give them plenty of room and make sure they have seen you. A lot of boy racers are perfectly aware of what is going on around them but want to get where they're going as quickly as possible without regard for braking distance, speed limits and hazards ahead.

Last time I had a problem with an old dear was on Sunday when she was trying to find a side road and was unaware of the cars behind her as she crawled down the road. It was annoying but far from dangerous.

I'm not saying the elderly are perfect by a long stretch but a Topgear/daily-mail-esq witch hunt blaming them for everything doesn’t make inappropriate speed by other drives just as dangerous – and that’s not just done by boy racers.

 

[recycled]

I smell an age war coming up

 

[chriswt]

I smell an age war coming up

Why? what can you smell?

In the red corner we have Mcdonalds Big Macs, Cheap aftershave and clearsil...

....and in the blue corner we have TCP, hairspray and charity shop musk!

 

[recycled]

acne vs arthritis
dental floss vs dental gum

 

[chriswt]

Zimer frames vs Zim Zimmer!

 

[television]

I smell an age war coming up

I think that I am the oldest one on the forum so watch it everyone

 

[glojo]

As a nuetral on this, I would suggest we look at insurance premiums. Are these set on risk factor and who is more likely to be involved in an incident?

John

 

[television]

As a nuetral on this, I would suggest we look at insurance premiums. Are these set on risk factor and who is more likely to be involved in an incident?

John

Thank you John, thats 3 ice creams I owe now on SW news last week after the deaths of the 4 youngsters it was stated again that more deaths and accidents a caused with young males

 

[Merc-C180K]

As a nuetral on this, I would suggest we look at insurance premiums. Are these set on risk factor and who is more likely to be involved in an incident?

John

*groan*

This just winds me up (not you... just insurance)

Men are more likely to be involved in an serious accident for the following reasons:

- Distance they drive
- Car they drive
- Speed they drive at

Women however have more accidents per year than men, but just less fatalities due to

- Driving less
- Driving smaller cars
- Driving slower

Young Chavs are the worst category for an insurer to cover due to

- They drive like idiots
- Think everything is a race
- Have no concept of correct cornering in a FWD car
- Mod their cars but often don't declare it
- Drive knackered cars

So if you are a young male, who drives alot of miles and likes nice cars you are scuppered.

 

[chriswt]

*groan*
So if you are a young male, who drives alot of miles and likes nice cars you are scuppered.

Couldn't agree more. If only insurance was more means tested with advanced driving membership and other such qualifications taken into account. May be it would encourage more young drivers to consider such tests.

As for women being safer, it's only a matter of time before that changes. Whereas young lad's driving often improves over time due to an interest in cars and more miles under their belts, it's the new breed of girl racers that bomb around in Ka's, Mini's and 206's that are becoming increasingly dangerous!

Most have absolutely no interest in learning about oversteer, understeer, fwd, rwd etc etc and will continue to put pedal to metal until something happens that changes their veiw on speeding!

 

[recycled]

just as more women are now getting into night club brawls, they will soon be the new girl racers on the block with their souped up puntos and corsas.

as for the old/ young male insurance debate.
Lets just say we compensate for it in life/health insurance

 

[Merc-C180K]

They have. Sort of.

Pass Plus and IAM are available.

Means testing might be an option but still isn't fair. Posh kids who wreck rari's anyone...?

 

[Kamisuma]

Emma had a comming together with a astra the other day. The 17/18 yo driver got out of the car and threatened to kill her.

I found him later that week.

I think I taught him a lesson.

Yeah, you gave him a copy of the highway code

 

[DITTRICH]

http://www.dft.gov.uk/162259/162469/221412/221549/227755/rcgb2006v1.pdf

The last set of useful published statistics on accidents for 2006 and you'd be surprised (?) to learn that "failed to look properly" and "failed to correctly judge what others were doing" are cited as contributing factors far more than "excessive speed for the conditions". The categories aren't exactly as I have described but you get the picture.
My 2c
Les

 

[chriswt]

http://www.dft.gov.uk/162259/162469/221412/221549/227755/rcgb2006v1.pdf

The last set of useful published statistics on accidents for 2006 and you'd be surprised (?) to learn that "failed to look properly" and "failed to correctly judge what others were doing" are cited as contributing factors far more than "excessive speed for the conditions". The categories aren't exactly as I have described but you get the picture.
My 2c
Les

In response to Dittrich's post (not to be read as a criticism) ...

Poor judgement and concentration are always going to be the result of the majority of accidents but that's not to say that using "escessive speed for the conditions" isn't going to result in a bad accident.

I never like these stats and figures though because If excessive speed can't be proven (by whom ever writes the report) then surely the contributing factor has to be one of the other two.

 

[glojo]

WE might disagree with the insurance points, but it is not us under writing the vehicles. We can all throw statistics into any debate and these will only justify our side of the debate. The fact is that young men are considered a high risk when insuring a motor vehicle. I am not so blind as to not acknowledge that there are some terrible old drivers out there. Drivers, whose eyesight is so bad that at 25 metre they would struggle to see a person's hand, let alone their fingers. So bad that they might need a zimmer frame to walk, but read the posts about bad driving on this forum and instead of 'Barry-Boy' insert young man.

I take on-board what is being said about under-steer, over-steer or any other steer, but in reality on a narrow, public very busy highway, the chances are that the idiot who gets into this situation will be very lucky to get out of it unscathed. I fully accept how we can drift our cars, control them with nice opposite lock, but it is those moments when we get caught out that count and it is more often the young man that will be the one that is caught out.

To highlight this I will go back to my advanced riding courses.

On a nice wet day I would take my pupils out to a favourite bend where there was a nice wet, slippery man-hole cover right on the normal line for a motor-bike. On the inside of the curve was a nice mud bank where the pupils would watch me deliberately go over this cover at about 50 - 60mph. Everyone would be convinced I would be doing a bit of tarmac polishing, but I used this demonstration to highlight that the safest thing was to do................ nothing. The bike slid as it went over the cover, but it was so quick it was over before you could blink, the thing that causes the accident is the testosterone pumping alpha male that thinks they are God's gift to wheatabix and boast how they get into an unexpected skid, apply opposite lock, blah, blah blah. On a race track, or very wide road I fully accept this is possible, but on a busy narrow road, country lane etc, then forget it, you will be reacting to the reaction. Anyway I digress

How many of us were involved in an incident during the first five years of driving, and how many of us have been involved in one during the last five years of our driving? If the answer is we are having more accidents now, then hang up your car keys or take an advanced driving course

Young drivers should want to improve their driving standard and hopefuly as they get older these improvements will be recognised by the insurance companies by way of a No Claims Bonus

John

 

[umedc]

I think that I am the oldest one on the forum so watch it everyone

I think i am oldest

 

[glojo]

I think i am oldest

I 'think' I'm the youngest

Regards
John the Younger