Fuel shortage?

[st4]

Don't kid yourself, there's plenty still underground

I know, but its sadly not economically viable to extract it.

For now anyway

 

[stevieb15]

What it does emphasise is present-day society's dependence on the motor car [ real or imagined] We are "hooked on hydrocarbons" whether we like it or not, and as in any addiction we can't bear to do without. The mere threat of being deprived of our HC "FIX" and all hell breaks loose. Rather worrying and definitely re-enforces-- if it were necessary? -- successive governments' perception [of whatever political hue] that we will pay " the man" almost anything tax wise to get it.

I've got to get from Sussex to Staffs on Sunday via the NEC, Tuesday AM in Woburn, then back to Staffs, Manchester Wednesday, then Thursday Staffs to Bristol 6 AM start then back to Sussex, I'd welcome a contra suggestion as to how I do all that without a car.
It's not a fix, it's necessity.

 

[Endz]

I've found myself using public, spit, transport or walking a lot more since I bought my old lady (123). Neighbour filled up a couple of jerry cans as he's influenced by every paranoid panic or conspiracy that comes up.
Just seems that the level of common sense across the general public is continuing it's nose dive towards Jerry Springer/Jeremy Kyle guest levels. We have snow and everyone has to buy an extra weeks shopping a day after buying their weeks shopping as there's a tiny chance they won't get to the shop for 2 days.
I think it's time we took all the safety labels off and let a natural cull take place without interference from those of us able to walk the extra 15feet to the pedestrian crossing.

 

[artyman]

Makes you think though, if this is the panic that sets in with the faint possibility that fuel will be in short supply, I dread to think what will happen when food shortages come about. They say that we are only two square meals away from revolution.

I do think though that there has been an element of political shenanigans in all this, good to see all the major parties get trounced at the by-election, we have a local election here shortly, perhaps a protest vote for a non mainstream is called for, just to let them know that it IS the electorate that is in control, or at least should be.

 

[MOCAŠ]

I do think though that there has been an element of political shenanigans in all this, good to see all the major parties get trounced at the by-election, we have a local election here shortly, perhaps a protest vote for a non mainstream is called for, just to let them know that it IS the electorate that is in control, or at least should be.

So they've all voted for an oddball who can't actually deliver any of his manifesto promises, and who ironically lacks the respect of his fellow MPs. Is this really an outcome you wish to see repeated up and down the country?

 

[artyman]

Yes, if it shook up the present and former incumbents!

 

[davidjpowell]

I do wonder they have tried to take on the union head to head ala BA with the Cabin Crew union.

If that is the case I don't think it went quite the way they had in mind.

 

[MOCAŠ]

Yes, if it shook up the present and former incumbents!

Fair enough. I'll leave it there in view of the forum's "no politics" rule.

 

[markjay]

Fair enough. I'll leave it there in view of the forum's "no politics" rule.

Had my fingers burnt...

 

[MOCAŠ]

Had my fingers burnt...

Yes, so I saw. Hence why I'm wary of dragging this thread too far in that direction.

 

[neilrr]

Some companies have albeit on a small scale but a lot of the large pits were deliberately flooded to make it nigh on impossible for them to be opened again

Isn't the risk of flooding & the pumping away of water something that's going on pretty much every minute of the day in pretty much every mine in the world?

I think you're going to have to come up with a better explanation.

Perhaps the obvious one, that they were losing money, fits? If there was money to be made, someone would have been making it all these years.

 

[Endz]

Fair warning, I was a bottle of red to the good when posting this. I find the state of things generally depressing and no longer give a crap, beyond getting angry with all the idiots we seem to have bred or imported.

Makes you think though, if this is the panic that sets in with the faint possibility that fuel will be in short supply, I dread to think what will happen when food shortages come about. They say that we are only two square meals away from revolution.

I do think though that there has been an element of political shenanigans in all this, good to see all the major parties get trounced at the by-election, we have a local election here shortly, perhaps a protest vote for a non mainstream is called for, just to let them know that it IS the electorate that is in control, or at least should be.

The last time I remember us being close to a real revolution was back in the days of the Poll Tax. I'm not sure there are enough smart agitators around these days as I do sincerely believe the level of intellect available to the general population has vanished compared to where it was back in the 80's.
Plenty of thuggishness available but not with any real direction beyond the mass looting we had last year (I refuse to call it rioting). We'll end up with a feudalistic society if the economy does, as many expect it will, collapse entirely.
I'll admit to talking in extremes but it does feel like extremes are what people pay attention to these days.
I'll just weld some armour onto my merc and bust through barricades and out into the countryside (if I have any fuel that is) :bannana: and down t'coast and then I'll waterproof the old girl and sail away to freedom and safety on't Isle of Man.

 

[Harrythedog]

Isn't the risk of flooding & the pumping away of water something that's going on pretty much every minute of the day in pretty much every mine in the world?

I think you're going to have to come up with a better explanation.

Perhaps the obvious one, that they were losing money, fits? If there was money to be made, someone would have been making it all these years.

Yes but the pumps were deliberately shut down. During various disputes the pumps were always kept running even in closed or mothballed pits. The Govt knew exactly what they were doing.

As regards to your comment about them not making money you are correct but neither were the Gas, water or electricity industries making money but they didn't destroy these industries did they?

There is money to be made, check out all the opencast sites and the number of applications to start them but again the Govt weren't interested in running these.

 

[grober]

Latest--- you don't have to fill up with fuel. OFFICIAL.

BBC News - Fuel strike: Advice to drivers changed after panic buying

 

[Spinal]

Grober: I think that we all agree... If the advice is "Don't panic", we should all panic and rush to the station

 

[markjay]

Grober: I think that we all agree... If the advice is "Don't panic", we should all panic and rush to the station

Yes... but the odd thing is that in this case it would appear that the government's advice was actually "Panic".... only now they are trying the "Don't panic" approach...



See also my post #45....

 

[Dichtung]

Fair warning, I was a bottle of red to the good when posting this. I find the state of things generally depressing and no longer give a crap, beyond getting angry with all the idiots we seem to have bred or imported.



The last time I remember us being close to a real revolution was back in the days of the Poll Tax. I'm not sure there are enough smart agitators around these days as I do sincerely believe the level of intellect available to the general population has vanished compared to where it was back in the 80's.
Plenty of thuggishness available but not with any real direction beyond the mass looting we had last year (I refuse to call it rioting). We'll end up with a feudalistic society if the economy does, as many expect it will, collapse entirely.
I'll admit to talking in extremes but it does feel like extremes are what people pay attention to these days.
I'll just weld some armour onto my merc and bust through barricades and out into the countryside (if I have any fuel that is) :bannana: and down t'coast and then I'll waterproof the old girl and sail away to freedom and safety on't Isle of Man.

This is progress Jim; but not as we know it.

 

[flango]

If these mines were a viable business why didn't someone step in to take advantage of the opportunity?

They did RJB Mining bought most of the British Coal Mines and made a fortune in the early years.

Britain is still regarded as the mining centre of excellence in the world all the innovation comes out of the UK and is then exported as we no longer have a large enough industry to support it.

We still have a very technical mining Industry but the greens and their do gooder friends wrecked the perception of coal as a sustainable fuel, yet the UK is building a clean coal power station right in the heart of the Yorkshire coalfields where we have 1000's of years of reserves left.

we dont have an industry because governments make it harder and harder to get planning to extract coal either underground or surface. Take the Selby complex for example British Coal Flagship. it lasted 20 years and they mined 1 seam theres still another 13 left to mine yet it closed madness

What we need is a balanced energy policy and as we have massive indigenous resources of coal it should figure in the plans

 

[Alfajock]

They say that we are only two square meals away from revolution.

I prefer the one I heard in our Geordie plant last time there was snow "Southerners - only one missed cappuccino from cannibalism"

 

[jaymanek]

Plenty of fuel here, come to Nuneaton... Just had another delivery