Most Depressing Forum.........

[nickg]

going home to bed

 

[RJIF]

sorry people i know were languishing in the abyss of misery but i have to try and lighten this sombre mood by saying that; yes, even though there are shocking stories such as those detailed the last few days on the forum/s i dont think i could make it through an unforgiving day at work without my fix of mbclub to perk me up so good and bad keep it coming (less of the bad tho' of course) chin up all and have a nana, make that 2 :bannana: :bannana:

P.S. please note my thread - Events, Redditch GTG. more people please!

 

[sparkyspost]

I was trying to avoid joining in on the debate as I do prefer the fence for sitting on but...

I moved back to Stratford, home of the Olympics to live about a year and a half ago, and in that time I have had the following happen to my cars:
Wing Mirror smashed
Two panels keyed
Radio Ariel stolen
indicator stolen
attempt to steal the bonnet emblem
screwdrivered off an old RudeMercs badge from the boot (wrecking the paint - scratches and missing paint)
finally suceeding in stealing the bonnet emblem

This is beyond some yobbo in his company car trying to get in front of me in the one lane across tower bridge and thus knocking my wing mirror (which luckily wasn't too broken), forcing his way in front and cutting across the lane and stopping to block it (and the huge queue of traffic behind us) just to have a go for not letting him in (when he was behind me!)???

So after suffering these acts of vandalism and stupidity (nevermind the roadrages which I avoid as best as I can) I often wonder what I would do if I was to catch the little toerag in the middle of doing it?

Luckily I haven't been put in that situation, but with common sense I would avoid making a big issue of it only using a verbal challenge (not threatening but an "Oi, get the .... away from that car".
I would hopefully not progress into chasing them down, as thinking about it and along the lines of some of the advice given here you can almost guarantee they'll be armed and not afraid to use it.
...but you never know, maybe the red mist will decend and it'll be down to luck then...

The other problem with taking things into your own hands is that the toerags doing these things know where you live or that you drive a certain car, and should you end up tackling them, get them arrested or even have to defend yourself against them, they always have that knowledge on their side to exact retribution at a later date.

So as long as I can stop the red mist I'm planning not to tackle someone, but when is it too much to take?

Luckily I'm thinking of moving again to an area with less vandalism. (hopefully)


Sparky.

 

[Brian WH]

I was trying to avoid joining in on the debate as I do prefer the fence for sitting on but...

I moved back to Stratford, home of the Olympics to live about a year and a half ago, and in that time I have had the following happen to my cars:

So as long as I can stop the red mist I'm planning not to tackle someone, but when is it too much to take?

Luckily I'm thinking of moving again to an area with less vandalism. (hopefully)


Sparky.

Moving is the only option mate, I used to work in that area, many years ago, and it gets no better as you have found out.

 

[machasm]

Moving is the only option mate, I used to work in that area, many years ago, and it gets no better as you have found out.

I agree that moving is the only option.
More worrying though, is the fact that this sort of thing spreads like an infection to areas that were once free of it and unless things change then eventually we will end up with the whole country scarred.
I believe that until we, as a society, deal with these types of incidents in a firmer fashion (zero tolerance) we will bring it down to levels that we could all tolerate if not eliminate entirely.
Mac.

 

[Thmsshaun]

I now wish I hadn't read this thread.

However as said at the start the majority of people on here are doing well for themselves so chin up on that front.

These type of thread seem to be getting more and more common. I hope one day I can move out of this country. Is anywhere else really any better though?

Just off to hang my self

I a chuffed though bombing about in my 1972 850CC mini.

How can it make me smile so much. What a fun toy.

Keep happy people.

 

[scumbag]

Just off to hang my self

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Make sure you fasten the knot properly, its a sod trying to crawl to the phone with broken ankles, then having to explain to everyone what you were doing!

 

[SSBB]

It's not what you do that gets you into trouble, its what you say afterwards, if you believe someone is about to attack you than a pre-emptive strike is completely lawfull

 

[graeme73s]

One of the guys that works for me and has done so for about three years is a refugee from Khurdestan. (excuse the spelling). He's honest and hard working and he owns a car that is registered to him, taxed, mot'd and insured. On his way home last night he gets driven into by a polish guy driving a car on polish number plates.
Ari makes him stop and the polish guy can't speak a word of english. Ari calls the police. The police refuse to attend as there is no one hurt in the incident. Ari asks me to explain what is the point of being an honest person in this country. Paying for tax, insurance etc, working for a living and not sponging off the state, paying tax and national insurance.
What the hell can I say. Ari you did the right thing and you are an honest person with a good heart. Thank you Ari says, but who has to pay for the damage to my car.
So what sort of message is this country sending to the immigrants and asylum seekers that are trying to do the right thing. Could it read something like "why bother because it will make no bloody difference anyway!!"

 

[Steg]

The police refuse to attend as there is no one hurt in the incident.

Could this possibly be one reason why more people claim to be injured in a collision - purely to force the police to attend and put pressure on the other driver not to leave the scene before exchanging details?

 

[glojo]

So what sort of message is this country sending to the immigrants and asylum seekers that are trying to do the right thing. Could it read something like "why bother because it will make no bloody difference anyway!!"

Thanks very much for sharing this. What a very valid point.

It was only in the 1970's that all road traffic accidents were investigated by the Police and there was usually a prosecution. Crime figures are supposed to be dropping, form filling is allegedly on the decrease, Police numbers are supposed to be rising.........

What the hecky thump is going on???

John

 

[Dieselman]

Thanks very much for sharing this. What a very valid point.

It was only in the 1970's that all road traffic accidents were investigated by the Police and there was usually a prosecution. Crime figures are supposed to be dropping, form filling is allegedly on the decrease, Police numbers are supposed to be rising.........

What the hecky thump is going on???

John

Police now do desk jobs that should be filled by civillians.

This is not a sleight on serving officers but on their superiors and the system in general. The Police have become an administrative service instead of a Police force.

 

[Thmsshaun]

The police refuse to attend as there is no one hurt in the incident.

I can vouch for this one. Earlier last year. June i think it was I got hit on my bike going over an island. Push bike and he hit the rear. i managed to stay on but the driver did not stop. Fortunatly I was able to get his reg. I called the police immediatley and there response was obviously slower because I was not lying in a pool of blood or dead.

The bloke did get prosecuted but at one point I thought whats the point. The police took a statement from me 2 days later after me constantly calling them. Then a week later I got a leter asking for the same information that I had already given and signed for the police officer. Not happy

 

[Satch]

Police now do desk jobs that should be filled by civillians.

This is not a sleight on serving officers but on their superiors and the system in general. The Police have become an administrative service instead of a Police force.

Got to say that you have to wonder why at the same time this sort of pure nonsense can happen. On any analysis it cannot help.

Lad, 18. swore in chat with friends

Teenager Kurt Walker was given an £80 fine for saying "F*** all".

The 18-year-old youth worker was handed the fixed penalty after a WPC heard him use the expression in a park.

He said yesterday: "It's ridiculous - I was just chatting to a mate."

Kurt was walking to the youth centre where he works as a volunteer when he stopped to talk to three friends. One asked what he had been doing. He replied: "F*** all, mate."

The policewoman, who had been telling off another teenager for riding his bike in a skateboarding area, overheard the remark and fined him for using "threatening, abusive or, insulting words". Now Kurt, from Deal in Kent, is refusing to pay and faces a court hearing next month. He has taken legal advice and wants the fine scrapped.

He said: "It's an expression I use quite a lot and it means nothing. Most young people say it, as well as a lot of older people. "But the policewoman just said, 'Watch your language or I can give you an £80 fine. In fact, you can have an £80 fine anyway'. I don't want to pay it because I don't believe I have committed a crime. I wasn't rude to the officer and the only people who heard it were her, her colleague and my friends.

"If I had sworn very loudly or directed it at the officer or a member of the public I'd understand it. But I was just having a chat with a mate."

A spokesman for Kent police said: "If he's not happy, he is entitled to his day in court and he may find sympathy there."

Fixed penalty notices are part of a Government crackdown on anti-social behaviour. But human rights group Liberty said last night: "This is a snapshot of summary justice in Tony Blair's Britain.

"How will kids learn to respect the law when it becomes a licence for petty bullying like this?"

 

[glojo]

Got to say that you have to wonder why at the same time this sort of pure nonsense can happen. On any analysis it cannot help.

Lad, 18. swore in chat with friends

Teenager Kurt Walker was given an £80 fine for saying "F*** all".

The 18-year-old youth worker was handed the fixed penalty after a WPC heard him use the expression in a park.

He said yesterday: "It's ridiculous - I was just chatting to a mate."

Kurt was walking to the youth centre where he works as a volunteer when he stopped to talk to three friends. One asked what he had been doing. He replied: "F*** all, mate."

Are you honestly saying you believe the youth????

Were there any other facts of this case reported. No doubt when he comes to court he will have three or four witnesses all saying how they were minding there own business, when this officer deliberately made up a pack of lies and accused them of all sorts of behaviour.

The WPC will not have any other witnesses, the case will be dismissed, the poor hard done by misunderstood innocent victim will be awarded costs and the WPC will say, "What's the point, why should I suffer the humilitation of being called a liar by a court that should be upholding law and order?"

No doubt we will all criticise the Police for allowing unruly behaviour, yet when they arrest people we have another go at them.

I'm sure the victim was really innocent and really did mutter this comment to his friend and was completely ignoring the altercation that was taking place. Shame on this officer, why wasn't she behind a desk, or picking on speeding motorists?

John the nutter
John

John

 

[996jimbo]

Are you honestly saying you believe the youth????

Were there any other facts of this case reported. No doubt when he comes to court he will have three or four witnesses all saying how they were minding there own business, when this officer deliberately made up a pack of lies and accused them of all sorts of behaviour.

Easy tiger!

There doesn't seem to be any dispute in the article about the facts, just the proper outcome. No-one in the article is accusing the police of lying.

Granted it is not a full account, but it appears that the police are not claiming that the youf did any more or less than the youf is admitting, and that they are prosecuting him because of the "Goverment crackdown on anti-social behaviour".

 

[tim.100]

Can the increase in miserable stories recounted on this forum be coincidence, or is it further evidence that this country is going down the toilet at an ever-increasing rate??

discuss.

I'm sitting in an office in the Middle East, surrounded by Brits, who feel just like you. Fortunately for Gordon Brown, I am just a visitor.

However, I am test driving a company house this week with a view to living here....

 

[glojo]

Easy tiger!

There doesn't seem to be any dispute in the article about the facts, just the proper outcome. No-one in the article is accusing the police of lying.

Granted it is not a full account, but it appears that the police are not claiming that the youf did any more or less than the youf is admitting, and that they are prosecuting him because of the "Goverment crackdown on anti-social behaviour".

The reason there is no disputing the facts is simply because we are reading only one side of 'the facts' I am merely perhaps offering a fictitious other side of the 'facts'

Surely the youth is disputing the officers evidence. "threatening, abusive or, insulting words" will usually have to be aimed at someone. I do note however that the WPC did actually have a colleague present, but he refers to his mates so my general remarks will still apply. They go to court, then it will be the word of the youth and his mates against that of the WPC and her colleague.

A few months ago I seem to recollect reading about a gang of youths congregating outside a pensioners house, all of them shouting and swearing, the Police turned up, they were quiet and the pensioner was in tears. Every-time the Police went away the youths would start up again, but clearly they also were no doubt only having a friendly chat.

Sorry if I am not more sympathetic but I am old fashioned and have never understood the need to swear especially in the presence of a lady or even more worrying a Police Officer. Surely this is highlighting a total lack of respect for authority?

Our teachers always instilled upon us that folks that swore lacked the use of a full vocabulary?? I am definitely not saying I agree with that, but it has been knocked into me by the use of the slipper, ruler and cane. Pretty strict school with strict codes of behaviour.

John

 

[Satch]

Are you honestly saying you believe the youth????

John the nutter

John,


Sadly "The Truth" does not really matter if something like this is splashed all over the press. The perception does though.

If he was directing abusive, threatening or intimidating language at anyone fair enough. But use of colourful language or dramatic figures of speech in the context of an ordinary conversation between friends overheard by a third party is not what the legislation was ever intended for and must represent a hideous abuse of process.

Irrespective of the rights or wrongs here I would welcome this one going to court just to clarify proper application of the law.


Regards


S.

 

[glojo]

John,


Sadly "The Truth" does not really matter if something like this is splashed all over the press. The perception does though.

Hi Satch,
As usual your spot on, numerous posts have commented on media spin and the truth usually has not part to play.

Regards,
John