Variable Speed Gantry Cameras - some info

[C36fan]

I have definitely seen the gantry cameras on the M1 between J10 and J8 going SOUTH flash on several occasions, however it was night time - they might not flash during the day. I did not notice if going North they flash as well.

hi also seen them flashing in the day ,but I'd love to know more about this.

 

[ItalianTuneUp]

Driving North up the M1 earlier this morning from Milton Keynes on the way home to East Yorkshire and the Nottinghamshire Gantry Spot cameras didn't trigger up to 95mph (A friend told me) so when do they trigger??

apologies if the answer has already been posted

Was your mate called Dave?

 

[ChrisA]

Was your mate called Dave?

I think his mate's name was Dave

:bannana:

 

[E55BOF]

Hopefully.

I think a lot of the contributors on here might not agree with you. No change there, then...

 

[meeeb]

I think a lot of the contributors on here might not agree with you. No change there, then...

You may be right, but, "“A person may use his fundamental right to communicate whatever he likes, but the people like his point as per their personal choice only and not necessarily that which is always fundamentally right.”

Your response added nothing to the thread.

Sadly I think that your unnecessary statement of the obvious was merely a vehicle in which to peddle an, albeit low-key, insult, which is at variance with your recently expressed view that, ".... it does say something about both the direction the forum is moving in and the people who are taking it there. Perhaps we need an 'Old Farts/Gits' section for those of us who feel this way..."

 

[E55BOF]

You may be right, but, "“A person may use his fundamental right to communicate whatever he likes..."

Your response added to the thread by communicating your opinion. My response added to the thread by communicating my opinion.

I resisted, with considerable difficulty, the urge to make my response a single word: Git.

 

[dan-mb]

I know these new generation cameras are meant to have a lower tolerance (the old cameras being 10%) but i thought that the tolerance was there because of car speedos being inaccurate?
Factors like different size wheels can effect the accuracy of a cars speedo. For example you could be doing 70mph on your speedo and actually be traveling faster without actual knowing it and then... flash, 3 points and a fine.

 

[John]

Different size wheels on the same car won't make an enormous difference as the profile of tyres tends to result in a similar rolling circumference.

 

[Stratman]

Dan-mb, the tolerance allowed for a speedo is one way only. They can over read by up to 10% or 3mph under 30 mph but they may not under read at all.

 

[E55BOF]

Has anyone actually seen any stated official intention to set the new cameras to lower trigger speeds? I would have though that, as with existing installations, the trigger speeds would be likely to be informed by the ACPO guidelines, and those have not changed.

 

[John]

Has anyone actually seen any stated official intention to set the new cameras to lower trigger speeds? I would have though that, as with existing installations, the trigger speeds would be likely to be informed by the ACPO guidelines, and those have not changed.

I haven't but ACPO guidelines are just that - they can be set to whatever they want albeit with obvious consequences if too high or too low...

 

[RWDpetrol]

FYI - Hadecs3 doesn't visibly flash. Only uses IR flash for low light conditions.

Don't know if they are Hadecs3 or not but I've been flashed twice, and twice for the car behind at same speed on the M25 between J6-5 at night. Nothing in the post and NSL applied at the time.

I have definitely seen the gantry cameras on the M1 between J10 and J8 going SOUTH flash on several occasions, however it was night time - they might not flash during the day. I did not notice if going North they flash as well.

I've had gantry camera flash twice on M25 between J11-10, again at night. Nothing in the post and NSL applied at the time.

 

[ChrisA]

I think post #1 covers this Chris - perhaps they don't all flash .

I'll send you a file in a cake .

My mate Dave did the same M1 Notts route 3 times last 6 weeks and all at speeds around 90-95mph and he hasn't received anything in the post. 14 days is the max for NIP's isn't it?
His electronic device was telling him the camera's were live but not at what speed they were set at, must be over 95mph

I think Dave will be ok.....................again

 

[markjay]

Wow, this bloak Dave must have thousands of contacts on Linkedin...

 

[RWDpetrol]

My mate Dave did the same M1 Notts route 3 times last 6 weeks and all at speeds around 90-95mph and he hasn't received anything in the post. 14 days is the max for NIP's isn't it?
His electronic device was telling him the camera's were live but not at what speed they were set at, must be over 95mph

I think Dave will be ok.....................again

I've heard 100+, camera flashes and yet no NIP. Is there a definitive answer on whether cameras are used on motorways to enforce NSL?

 

[abouqusai]

2months ago, on M62 near L'pool flashed at 77mph no ticket followed

 

[C36fan]

2months ago, on M62 near L'pool flashed at 77mph no ticket followed

happened to me 2x now one at M1 and the other at the M25 no ticket followed so far .

 

[BEJ]

Don't forget to take speedo error into account. You may not have been going as fast as you thought.

 

[Rory]

2months ago, on M62 near L'pool flashed at 77mph no ticket followed

ACPO guidlines are not to take any action below a true 79MPH, and speedo's normally over-read a little.

I don't know what the truth is about the variable cameras in the West Mids working when variable isn't activated, but as others have posted I have seen a lot of comments that they're working on the M25 now, where they haven't been for years.

One point on the West Mids variable - I always wondered how tightly they're enforced as some people seem to ignore them, but a colleague recently got a speed awareness course for doing 46MPH when 40 was showing. He said most of the people on the course had been caught the same way.

 

[meeeb]

ACPO guidlines are not to take any action below a true 79MPH, and speedo's normally over-read a little.

That statement is not strictly accurate and could mislead some potential offenders into believing that they will not be prosecuted if their speed is below those stipulated in the guidelines.

The ACPO document is at pains to show in various places that the enforcing officer's discretion cannot be and is not removed by the guidelines:-

9.2 Driving at any speed over the limit is an offence and the police are not restricted and may prosecute.

9.3 Where police officers consider that an offence has been committed i.e. that a motorist has driven at any speed over the relevant speed limit, there will be no restriction on proceedings .....

9.6 The guidance is that enforcement by prosecution should not be considered when it is lower than the speeds reached in the following table:

9.7 These guidelines do not and cannot replace police officer's discretion.


Etc., etc.