Nice Rosberg.. Deliberate?

[Terry_]

And Toto confirmed that their message to Nico was misleading as they told him Lewis would let him pass, which he would if Nico could catch him. Nico got the impression he was going to slow down for him which was due to poor communication from MB

I'm not buying that. We heard the radio and watched the race.
And considering where Lewis started on the grid that day the fact they were even considering asking him to let him pass was a joke.
I do agree that Tito and the rest of the mb management team are novices with being at the top. But it will all come good hopefully!

 

[frog-n-flymo]

When Hamilton refused to slow down to let Nico past he was in a race for position with him, so insisting Nico catch up to pass did seem fair.

For Nico's move at Spa...

Lewis was in front, if he stayed there, Lewis gains ground in the championship;

By sticking his car into a disappearing gap the logical outcome options that Nico would have been aware of we're:

Lewis gives way, for some bizarre reason, Nico passes, Nico gains ground in the championship;
Cars collide, both races end, Nico gains ground in the championship;

In F1 if you get a puncture at the beginning of a lap, your race is effectively over

If you lose an end plate you may lose 20 seconds over the race, mercedes had up to a 2 second a lap advantage.

If a wing snags a rear tyre you tend to get a puncture and a lost end plate.

Basically if Nico was playing the odds it was worth a gamble from his perspective - opinion not biased by the media as I bored the other half sick with that opinion before Lewis got back to the pits.

Right now Lewis is trying to win the championship, Nico is trying to beat Lewis.

A race on the sidelines would do Nico good, he's crossed the line.

 

[cb1965]

A race on the sidelines would do Nico good, he's crossed the line.

It will never happen. Mercedes want those championships and sidelining the leader for a race is not a good way to ensure points for either championship.

It will be brushed under the carpet just as Lewis said it would before the race had even finished yesterday. He can't be surprised though... it's F1!

Toto's words today are already heading that way "We will wait for both drivers to calm down before we discuss the situation".

 

[frog-n-flymo]

I agree, unless the actions are likely to impact the WCC it will just go away, but let's hope Nico gets some forceful words of wisdom

 

[cb1965]

I agree, unless the actions are likely to impact the WCC it will just go away, but let's hope Nico gets some forceful words of wisdom

Words of wisdom were what McLaren gave Senna and Prost...worked a treat.. not!

 

[bob6600]

I'm not buying that. We heard the radio and watched the race.
And considering where Lewis started on the grid that day the fact they were even considering asking him to let him pass was a joke.
I do agree that Tito and the rest of the mb management team are novices with being at the top. But it will all come good hopefully!

tbh I remember when Toto made this statement and I thought...hmmm didn't sound that way!

Worst thing MB did was get rid of Brawn and put 2 men in charge. Paddy never seems to comment on anything, mainly because I think he has much of a clue as to what goes on.

 

[HB]

I did read your post, indeed I did. ''Darker forces, Ayrans's...'' Get a grip!

Not as daft as you think if you are aware of these types of things...

 

[tali]

Not a fan/follower of F1 and as a neutral i'm a bit puzzled as to what all the fuss is about.Don't know the ins and outs but Hamilton comes across as a spoilt attention seeking brat.
Maybe he is frustrated because hot Nicole is not giving it to him.

 

[John Jones Jr]

Not as daft as you think if you are aware of these types of things...

I don't suppose you would care to expand & enlighten on the above?

 

[roastbeef]

One nic giving it to him one not lol (sorry about that) I say it was a easy accident to avoid once rosberg see the gap disappearing he just had to chink left a little straddle the Kerb and a bit of artificial grass try again later by the time of contact he was no way along side enough to fight for racing line for next corner also I question lack of safety car to remove shredded tyre left every where on fastest part of circuit also lack of safety car at german gp when I believe Perez stalled on the racing line of hairpin ? All seem to go against Lewis yes I'm a fan of his yes he behaves terrible when it doesn't go his way but him and old kimi and hopefully new kimi and alonso only true racers out there my opinion obviously also when Lewis was with mclaren (may be spelt wrong) when he won spar but powers that rule deemed he left circuit to gain the place against kimi but gave the place back to over take him again? In kimis first career he often took down the escape road at the beginning to make up a load of positions nothing never done I believe the powers that be do tend to rule against Lewis alonso in Hungary missed the chicane when Lewis was getting in to position to try a over take nothing happened rosberg in Canada missed the last chicane and pulled a gap to Lewis nothing happened sure there is more that's my to pence worth

 

[roastbeef]

Probably shouldn't be posted here but can't stand button and he only one the championship because his car was illegal with double diffuser again only my opinion don't shoot me lol

 

[Red C220]

I'm a huge F1 fan and I've seen this brewing for the last 5 or 6 races. Here's my take on it.

I don't think I've ever seen such a small incident blown out of all proportion, that is, if the incident itself was taken in isolation. But you need to look back a bit further.

Mercedes as a team have made a rod for their own back, they make a big deal of stating their drivers are allowed to race, yet their team structure has a single strategist making the calls for both cars every race (as opposed to McLaren for example where each driver has a strategist). This in it's own right will create conflict as their "racing" drivers will inevitably be instructed to give way at some point (or multiple points) during the season.

Hamilton is a racer, he has a huge fan base as he's decided to model himself on his hero Senna. The very man who openly stated he wouldn't back down and would leave it to his opponent to either get out of the way or have an accident when he chose to overtake them. Arrogance or incredible self belief? It's a fine line.

Over the course of the season on occasions when Hamilton has been in front of Rosberg and circumstances have been such that he needed to pass Hamilton for position, Hamilton does his best to drive in the spirit of Senna. He has, on a number of times run Rosberg clean off the circuit without penalty, of course Mercedes are not going to ask the stewards to investigate one of their cars. Some will say he's hard but fair, others will say he's pushing the limits. From an impartial point of view (I'm neither a Rosberg or Hamilton fan) it looks as if he's challenging his team mate (Rosberg) to back off or have an accident. This has been apparent for most of the season.

Then the last race before the summer break, the team strategist imposed orders that Rosberg needed to pass Hamilton, we all know how that panned out. Of course there are those saying well Rosberg didn't get close enough to over take, he should have been faster. They may be right, but he may also have been playing the team game waiting for his team mate to let him pass as instructed by their employers. We won't know.

What happened in the incident at Spa was Rosberg making it clear to Hamilton that if that's how the game is going to played, he's now part of it. The gloves are off, for want of a better phrase Rosberg has stated "I'm going to drive like you". I'm passing you, you either give me room or we collide. That's Hamilton's hero's style. I like it.

None of this is actually the drivers fault. Mercedes have hired two top drivers with equal status, yet have a system set up that is a compromise in races (single strategist) how was this not going to end in any other way that this?

I say good on Rosberg and Hamilton needs to get his mind in the right place.

It is worth noting though that Rosberg chose this action after signing a three year $55 Million deal to stay with Mercedes.

Your move Lewis.

 

[John Jones Jr]

I'm a huge F1 fan and I've seen this brewing for the last 5 or 6 races.

Prost: ''Mercedes F1 rivals Hamilton and Rosberg will fall out.'' that's a quote from May this year.

 

[Red C220]

Prost: ''Mercedes F1 rivals Hamilton and Rosberg will fall out.'' that's a quote from May this year.

It was inevitable, but it was only going to happen when Rosberg had just had enough of it.

I can half imagine Keke having a few words with his son and telling him to deal with it like they did in the old days

 

[grober]

It was inevitable, but it was only going to happen when Rosberg had just had enough of it.

I can half imagine Keke having a few words with his son and telling him to deal with it like they did in the old days

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[Red C220]

I miss James Hunt. I would have loved to have seen him do a grid walk and ask Bernie some probing questions.

 

[John Jones Jr]

I miss James Hunt. I would have loved to have seen him do a grid walk and ask Bernie some probing questions.

A big plus one to that.

 

[cb1965]

As much as I am a fan of Lewis's driving style I do think it would now be rather funny if the situation between he and Rosberg degenerated to such a point that somehow Ricciardo was able to snatch the driver's crown.

All the top drivers could do to yake a look at how the Aussie conducts himself and realise that being an a**e isn't compulsory to do well in F1. I don;t think for a moment he is any less driven than any other driver, he just doesn't have the prima donna module fitted the way the others do.

 

[mat8n]

Lewis Hamilton doesn't have Ayrton Sennas ability.
Senna won in less than competitive cars, Hamilton is equal in the best car .

Senna(l also think Alonso) had the ability to make the best of a bad situation, Hamilton makes a hash of a good situation!

I don't rate Hamilton or rosberg to be in the elite of F1. We all know how rosberg got to be there, and hamilton is only there because mclaren spent a small fortune bringing him through the ranks, they didnt make a massive effort to keep him.

 

[E55BOF]

I tend to think that any two of a dozen drivers would be winners if they drove for Mercedes, which quite clearly has the fastest car. HOWEVER....

"We all know how rosberg got to be there, and hamilton is only there because mclaren spent a small fortune bringing him through the ranks, they didnt make a massive effort to keep him."

Irrespective of how they reached the top, Rosberg and Hamilton are both AT the top. If either of them had been second-rate, Mercedes would not have signed them in the first place.

Hamilton has had bad luck time and again this season, and had he not, he would be, I suspect, well ahead in the points. Mercedes would obviously prefer a German driver to win the title in their car, but I don't believe there is any sort of sabotage going on in the Mercedes team, either.

I don't buy the implied theory that Rosberg coldly calculated that if he put his front wing into Hamilton's rear tyre, the odds were that Hamilton would get a puncture and he himself would suffer but little; Schumacher might possibly have been that sharp, and that ruthless, but not Rosberg, imo.

I think he genuinely intended to 'make a point', not cause a collision, and had not quite enough skill to make his point without causing a collision in this particular set of circumstances; he overcooked it a touch, and came unstuck. One hopes he has learnt something from all this, and I suspect he has.