Parking ticket - wrong date.

[robert.saunders]

I don't understand these sites (ticketbusters; appealnow etc), offering amazing appeals for cash. The issue is very simple in this case:

1 - vehicle parked illegally;
2 - ticket issued, albeit with error on year and difference in opinion of 3rd party view of vehicle colour.

If this is a Police ticket, as I already asked, simply go to court (as you will have to, if you point out the year is wrong and they still persist) and state the facts. I have no idea how the court will react.

If this is a LA ticket, point out the date error and let it go to adjudication - it's highly likely it will be revoked as it's an absolute error, ie wrong date.

Either way, it's just a parking ticket, and I really feel for motorists who seem to be obliged to line the pockets of the Barrie Segal's of this world when generally, the offending vehicle was parked illegally (and knowingly so) in the first place.

 

[guydewdney]

Dear Sir,
I refer you to the above ticket that I found affixed to my motor vehicle lately.

I am concerned that I may be contravening current highway regulations with regards to my eyesight. I say this, as I have only just noticed the above mentioned notice, yet it has apparently been affixed to my windscreen for approximately a year.

I also need to have a colour blindness check done (as, I think the salesman at Nissan needs to do too) as I thought my car was black; very, very, black (albeit a little dirty in places).

I say this, as I am sure that all your staff are infallible, and therefore the date and information upon my 'PCN' must be right. If this is the case, I must congratulate you on taking the time to pop over to Spain last year and affix to a windscreen in a Nissan factory, the above mentioned PCN. I'm not sure who pays for such excesses, no doubt its the local tax payer – but all to a Good Cause, I'm sure.

Could you please confirm to me that extreme LONG sightedness would be a contravention of current highway regulations? To my knowledge, as long as I can read a numberplate from a certain distance (20 metres) then I'm OK. If I can't see a ticket flapping on my windscreen for the last 8 months (and 18,000 miles) – is that too poor to be allowed to drive?

If, and I'm sure this is almost impossible, that your staff could possibly have been mistaken about certain details regarding parking in Minehead, then how do I proceed? Should I just ignore the minor fact that the ticket was issued several months before my vehicle was built, let alone in this country, let alone in my possession? Or should I forward the ticket onto Nissan UK who would have been the owner of the windscreen at the time of issue? Or should we waste a lot of your, my, and the general public's time and money, and show the evidence to a local Magistrate, who do doubt will be confused as to what everyone is trying to prove.

I apologise for my appalling tardiness in responding to your PCN, but as i have only just noticed it, I hope that you will overlook the 28 day time period in which to respond. I cannot, as you can appreciate, tick either of the boxes – so I ticked neither (note, the notice doesn't state that I HAVE to tick anything, just tick whichever IS applicable – which is neither....)

I look forward to your advice.

Guy





yes Robert, it is a police one (I thought I responded wrt this).

the boxes refer to the court send back bit - one says 'I was the driver at the time' - the other says 'I was the person reported by blah blah' - neitehr apply.

anyway - I was parked legally(ish) just for longer than the 60 minutes allowed (by about 10 minutes)... got distracted in the local library by pictures of my house in 1902...

 

[robert.saunders]

Assume that's a letter you have sent/will send?

Anyhoo, if it's Police, it's not a PCN.

You also state you were parked legally(ish) - did any signage against the single yellow line state limited waiting for 60minutes? That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Silestanix]

Sounds like someone else's ticket to me - I wouldn't have appealed, would've ignored it lol

Will

I thought about that, I didn't want to run the risk or anything coming back to me.

 

[bibamus]

Dear Sir,
I refer you to the above ticket that I found affixed to my motor vehicle lately.

I am concerned that I may be contravening current highway regulations with regards to my eyesight.

So, you admitted having defective eyesight, in that case, they will probably uphold your appeal and make you have a medical to see if you are fit to drive = £95 to NHS.

I`d pay the ticket, its cheaper, after all, you did overstay your welcome!!!

Allan

 

[miro]

A parking ticket is a letter of demand with conditional service of summons in the fine print.

If ANY detail in the charge (allegation against a law) is incorrect then it can not be served.

I would say that it would be more fun proving you were not even there on that date. Every allegation must be met according to its details.

 

[miro]

Dear Sir,
I refer you to the above ticket that I found affixed to my motor vehicle lately.

I am concerned that I may be contravening current highway regulations with regards to my eyesight. I say this, as I have only just noticed the above mentioned notice, yet it has apparently been affixed to my windscreen for approximately a year.

I also need to have a colour blindness check done (as, I think the salesman at Nissan needs to do too) as I thought my car was black; very, very, black (albeit a little dirty in places).

I say this, as I am sure that all your staff are infallible, and therefore the date and information upon my 'PCN' must be right. If this is the case, I must congratulate you on taking the time to pop over to Spain last year and affix to a windscreen in a Nissan factory, the above mentioned PCN. I'm not sure who pays for such excesses, no doubt its the local tax payer – but all to a Good Cause, I'm sure.

Could you please confirm to me that extreme LONG sightedness would be a contravention of current highway regulations? To my knowledge, as long as I can read a numberplate from a certain distance (20 metres) then I'm OK. If I can't see a ticket flapping on my windscreen for the last 8 months (and 18,000 miles) – is that too poor to be allowed to drive?

If, and I'm sure this is almost impossible, that your staff could possibly have been mistaken about certain details regarding parking in Minehead, then how do I proceed? Should I just ignore the minor fact that the ticket was issued several months before my vehicle was built, let alone in this country, let alone in my possession? Or should I forward the ticket onto Nissan UK who would have been the owner of the windscreen at the time of issue? Or should we waste a lot of your, my, and the general public's time and money, and show the evidence to a local Magistrate, who do doubt will be confused as to what everyone is trying to prove.

I apologise for my appalling tardiness in responding to your PCN, but as i have only just noticed it, I hope that you will overlook the 28 day time period in which to respond. I cannot, as you can appreciate, tick either of the boxes – so I ticked neither (note, the notice doesn't state that I HAVE to tick anything, just tick whichever IS applicable – which is neither....)

I look forward to your advice.

Guy


yes Robert, it is a police one (I thought I responded wrt this).

the boxes refer to the court send back bit - one says 'I was the driver at the time' - the other says 'I was the person reported by blah blah' - neitehr apply.

anyway - I was parked legally(ish) just for longer than the 60 minutes allowed (by about 10 minutes)... got distracted in the local library by pictures of my house in 1902...

The old "I want to waste 30 minutes being a dork" trick. Keep it simple.

 

[guydewdney]

So, you admitted having defective eyesight, in that case, they will probably uphold your appeal and make you have a medical to see if you are fit to drive = £95 to NHS.

I`d pay the ticket, its cheaper, after all, you did overstay your welcome!!!

Allan

nearly - note the wording - I am concerned that I MIGHT be [blah]...

 

[andy_k]

I think sometimes it's better to just pay up and take it on the chin.

Let's look at things from a slightly different perspective

1, you live in a pretty small town (population less that 1500)
2, you drive a pretty unique vehicle

so,

if you were to pay up and keep your head "below the parapet" you'd be a few quid worse off

If however you decide to make whoever issued the ticket look like a complete idiot who can guarantee that this particular individual won't take it upon themselves to keep a very close eye on your actions ?

Lesson one in living in a small community is NEVER upset the village bobby or any of his mates in the local towns.

Andy

 

[guydewdney]

interesting point...

I recently went to the post office sorting office - I didnt need to show any ID as the chap said 'noone else round here drives a truck like that"

Mine has advert stickers on it and yellow pikey 'park anywhere' flashy lights on the roof

I'll just nick the missus' disabled blue 'badge of invincibility' lol.... (as the car is actually hers, technically)

oh population of porlock is 1,332 - but I actually live in Allerford (population 200) http://town-guides.org/tgo/somerset/allerford/population-overview.asp

 

[andy_k]

Mine has yellow pikey 'park anywhere' flashy lights on the roof

how long before they become "yellow pikey nick me anywhere" flashy lights?

take care

Andy

 

[nigel cross]

I saw a friend of mine last night, for a drink.
He is ex police traffic, who now trains traffic wardens, he's not that bab really.
I asked him re this issue, and he stated that the ticket is not legal as the date is wrong. It also has to have 2 time son the for.
10) Time the offence happened and
2) Time the offence was noted.
n.b. Parking has been decrimmialised and given to the local councils to enforce, this means that police or the old traffic wardens will not be giving out tickets unless you are causing an obstruction

 

[andy_k]

this means that police or the old traffic wardens will not be giving out tickets unless you are causing an obstruction

They do here - we've still got a proper traffic warden, well, on a couple of days every other week as long as it's not raining, or too cold, or windy

Andy

 

[Shude]

If it were me writing the letter I would put less sarcasm in it!

Be polite, treat the details as undeniable facts and act dumb.

 

[Benzowner]

Have at last spoken to my traffic warden friend, yes, they do have friends and she suggested to write and tell them that you were not parked anywhere near where the alleged ticket was issued at the time and date stated on the ticket, and it will get dropped, unless they have other evidence

 

[andy_k]

A little story....

Many years ago my Father upset one of the local traffic wardens by pulling a few strings and getting what he thought was an unjust ticket cancelled - being on the same comittees and playing cricket with the chief constable apparently did have it's advantages.

After that day his car was "marked" and he must have got ten parking tickets for ridiculous offences such as parking more than 1 yard from the kerb outside his house. In normal circumstances it would have been fair but there was a huge pile of snow where the plough had cleared the road pushing all the snow to the side and blocking all the drives - Dad was talking to the snow plough driver seeing if they could get any of the drives cleared

The best one ever was when he parked "legally" and came back to find the warden just placing a ticket on his screen for parking "outside of an authorised area". He stood his ground and said that he wasn't and as could be clearly seen his car was inside the lines, at which point the traffic warden pulled out a plumb line, held it against the cars bumper and as the weight swung about 2" outside of the line he said "but not that bit eh?"

My Dad's reply was a bit too strong to post here

Moral of the story - don't mess with officious people

Andy

 

[Fandango]

A little story....

Many years ago my Father upset one of the local traffic wardens by pulling a few strings and getting what he thought was an unjust ticket cancelled - being on the same comittees and playing cricket with the chief constable apparently did have it's advantages.

...

Andy

It's nice to see that not only is corruption and bribery rife in our police forces but also that people seem to be proud to admit to it.....

 

[guydewdney]

A response from the A&S constabulary :-

our ref xxx
offence date 11/01/2007

dear mr dewdney

i refer to your communication relating to the above FPN

the correct date of issue is 11/01/2007. Errors of this nature do not invalidate the Notice.

As you have confirmed you are the keeper of the vehicle, I will proceed....{court}....{prosecute}.... {blah}

Yours

Mr Policeman

Hmmmm
Note - "as you have confirmed you ARE the keeper"... not "you were the keeper at the time of the offence...."

Guy

 

[Silestanix]

That's mad...

 

[blassberg]

so is the ball in your court or theirs next? My speeding ticket issued at 22:20 but decribed as 20:22 many years ago resulted in a similar letter but I never heard from them again.