The EV fact thread

[ALFAitalia]

So much nonsense in just two posts....impressive!....but you are right about half the humans being below average intelligence..just look at some of the completely fictitious anti EV stuff on here that they actually believe!!!!

 

[Noitz]

So much nonsense in just two posts....impressive!....but you are right about half the humans being below average intelligence..just look at some of the completely fictitious anti EV stuff on here that they actually believe!!!!

I'm pretty sure the proven facts outweigh the fictitious stuff though.

 

[Noitz]

Diesel generators for EV charging are so last year darling.

Electrek.co
'Volvo CE and Rolls-Royce develop wood-burning charger for off-grid EVs.'

 

[markjay]

Just saw the Kia EV9 in a showroom. Massive car (Range Rover size), beautiful looking, but very pricey. Mrs MJ also liked it...

Two thousand 600 Kg before anyone climbs in to drive it . Luggage ?? What a way to save 'precious resources' ! More weight than a 2024 Range Rover . FFS.

The issue with the massive SUV has always been that they were misused by urbanites.... the most extreme case I've seen so far, was an American lady a few years back living in St John's Wood in London driving around in a Cadillac Escalade.

If you need a large car, especially if you live or work in the countryside, by all means. But driving a black Range Rover with tinted windows in Soho is nothing more than a (fake) status symbol.

 

[Steveml63]

The issue with the massive SUV has always been that they were misused by urbanites.... the most extreme case I've seen so far, was an American lady a few years back living in St John's Wood in London driving around in a Cadillac Escalade.

If you need a large car, especially if you live or work in the countryside, by all means. But driving a black Range Rover with tinted windows in Soho is nothing more than a (fake) status symbol.

So what - I don’t really care what other people drive - it is totally their choice.
If somebody in central London can afford to drive (and insure!!) a Range Rover - good luck to them!
We are not in the former Eastern bloc - waiting 10 years for our Trabant to arrive - we all have a choice, at the moment!
An Escalade in London - great!
A Mini in the countryside - cool.
We should all drive what we like - while we can!

 

[markjay]

So what - I don’t really care what other people drive - it is totally their choice.
If somebody in central London can afford to drive (and insure!!) a Range Rover - good luck to them!
We are not in the former Eastern bloc - waiting 10 years for our Trabant to arrive - we all have a choice, at the moment!
An Escalade in London - great!
A Mini in the countryside - cool.
We should all drive what we like - while we can!

The lady was dropping-off her kids at a local primary school every morning during term time... leaving the car parked with two wheels on the pavement. Even so, any van that tried unsuccessfully to squeeze through the gap was causing a traffic jam until the lady returned to the car.

 

[BTB 500]

The lady was dropping-off her kids at a local primary school every morning during term time... leaving the car parked with two wheels on the pavement. Even so, any van that tried unsuccessfully to squeeze through the gap was causing a traffic jam until the lady returned to the car.

We lived less than half a mile from my son's primary school, so used to walk there and back. But on the way we passed a couple of other parents who (despite living even closer) used to drive - this took them significantly longer than walking. One had a Range Rover, the other drove a long wheelbase Viano. Both mums and their kids were completely normal and healthy.

In the end the school introduced a permit scheme to get into the car park - predictably that just resulted in cars dumped on the kerbs all around.

 

[190]

So much nonsense in just two posts....impressive!....but you are right about half the humans being below average intelligence..just look at some of the completely fictitious anti EV stuff on here that they actually believe!!!!

The way I read the two posts is that the introduction of EVs has been a missed opportunity.

Had we been serious about net zero, EV's would have been intelligently designed along the lines of Mactech's BMW i3 that is large diameter narrow wheels for low rolling resistance and attempts to keep the weight reasonable. Instead of which we have carried on supporting the trend of producing ever Heavier SUV's with wider tyres and a huge manufacturing carbon foot print. Truly it has been a missed opportunity and the only conclusion I can draw is the government is not really serious about net zero if it means taking peoples toys away.

As already mentioned it's the same in the US. They pretend to care about emissions unless it's a 3 tonne pickup truck which is exempt. So established is the fashion for pickup trucks that you can't see any way out of the situation. Meanwhile Biden ignores the issue and carries on trying to bankrupt the country by spending on other net zero initiatives he thinks he can get away with.

https://archive.ph/ue0ze

 

[Bellow]

The way I read the two posts is that the introduction of EVs has been a missed opportunity.

Had we been serious about net zero, EV's would have been intelligently designed along the lines of Mactech's BMW i3 that is large diameter narrow wheels for low rolling resistance and attempts to keep the weight reasonable. Instead of which we have carried on supporting the trend of producing ever Heavier SUV's with wider tyres and a huge manufacturing carbon foot print. Truly it has been a missed opportunity and the only conclusion I can draw is the government is not really serious about net zero if it means taking peoples toys away.

We are in a weird place where EV will be the only legally permitted offering for new sales but the manufacturers are in complete control of the models they offer and to which demographic. One look at the TV ad for the Hyundai Kona and the preferred demographic is pretty obvious.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I'm pretty sure the proven facts outweigh the fictitious stuff though.

Aye, but it's impossible to get that through to those EV sceptics who are obsessed with huge, non-existent queues for chargers, EV's catching fire and the motorways being littered with EV's that have run out of juice.

Thank heavens that we've got a couple of decades before the EV transition really cuts in.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

We are in a weird place where EV will be the only legally permitted offering for new sales but the manufacturers are in complete control of the models they offer and to which demographic. One look at the TV ad for the Hyundai Kona and the preferred demographic is pretty obvious.

Aren't all brand new small family SUV's always targeted at small families?

(Even if the fat middle-aged and pensioners buy them used - because they can't bend to get into C Class saloons any more)

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[Bellow]

Aren't all brand new small family SUV's always targeted at small families?

Well if that's their starter home, their final home must be quite a palace.

The only other arena I can think of where there is a legal mandate for a privately supplied product is car insurance. If an insurer doesn't want your business - expect to be priced out. Is the that the business model for EV manufacturers?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Well if that's their starter home, their final home must be quite a palace.

The only other arena I can think of where there is a legal mandate for a privately supplied product is car insurance. If an insurer doesn't want your business - expect to be priced out. Is the that the business model for EV manufacturers?

It's called aspirational marketing.

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[Bellow]

It's called aspirational marketing.

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To you it is. To others it is alienational marketing. Whatever we choose to call it, the distinct lack of enthusiasm in the public for EVs suggests it isn't working.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Well if that's their starter home, their final home must be quite a palace.

The only other arena I can think of where there is a legal mandate for a privately supplied product is car insurance. If an insurer doesn't want your business - expect to be priced out. Is the that the business model for EV manufacturers?

I'm more of a used car man, myself.

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[Bellow]

I'm more of a used car man, myself.

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What did you replace the Golf with?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

What did you replace the Golf with?

Only a test drive so far....

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[Deleted member 55947]

Well that’s nearly 2000 posts and the only facts I can see are;
If you want an EV you get one
If you don’t want an EV you don’t get one
If you’ve got an EV nobody will convince you that you’ve made a bad decision
If you haven’t got an EV nobody is going to convince you to get one

Nearly forgot, they both catch fire from time to time

 

[ALFAitalia]

All true....except possibly the bottom one.....all the people who have an EV, didn't at one point....so they were convinced!!! And if one day the powers that be make it so expensive to run an ICE that I cant afford it, I might be "convinced" too....but not yet.

 

[Deleted member 55947]

A lot of the drivers blaming Tesla for this but surely a little bit of forethought may have helped

Chicago-area Tesla owners detail winter 'disaster' with dead batteries, charging station failures | Fox News

Tesla owners were left stranded in the Midwest this week in blizzard-like conditions as they scrambled for working charging stations while battling battery-life issues.

www.foxnews.com