The EV fact thread

[ChipChop]

Which technologies necessary for full autonomous driving are exclusive to EVs and not equally applicable to ICEs?

You are perhaps better informed than me - when did or will Tesla release a car without a steering wheel or pedals like Apple had planned?

No idea. At a guess some form of constant uninterruptible cloud connectivity.

 

[BTB 500]

which for 99% of buyer will work just fine despite the nonsense in this thread!!

Yet 85% of buyers are choosing ICE or hybrid instead. And a good proportion of the 15% who are actually getting BEVs will be company car drivers with little or no say in the matter.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Sorry never seen a pic of a prototype self driving Googlemobile so have no idea if they had a steering wheel or pedals in case Johnny cab decided to go haywire.

And there was me thinking that you read the article your posted to.

Apple has ditched it's long term plans to develop a fully autonomous electric vehicle in favour of AI development because the market demand for EV is not there according to Silicon Valley sources.

Apple unplugs self-driving electric car project, reports say

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

No idea. At a guess some form of constant uninterruptible cloud connectivity.

That doesn’t sound like an EV thing any more than it does an ICE thing. So perhaps a fully autonomous car is as close to an ICE car as it is an EV afterall.

 

[ChipChop]

And there was me thinking that you read the article your posted to.

Feel free to post a pic of the vehicle in question sans steering wheel and pedals you pedantic ****.

 

[ChipChop]

That doesn’t sound like an EV thing any more than it does an ICE thing. So perhaps a fully autonomous car is as close to an ICE car as it is an EV afterall.

Yes of course EV's are less connected devices than ICE's. EV's are definitely not computers on wheels at all. Analogue devices through and through.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Cant see that ever happening....but we can hope!\

Tish tish, shame on you ! Challenging a story in the ..... Daily Express .... which claims that "experts," in the form of the "Alliance of British Drivers" are calling for an end to the ICE ban.

Are you suggesting that the Daily Express is not a reliable source?

Or that the "Alliance of British Drivers" aren't important "experts?"

Who are the "Alliance of British Drivers" you may ask?

Umm, that would be less that one thousand members of an anti-climate change and anti-speed limit pressure group, with no formal connection to any experts at all

 

[clk320x]

Tish tish, shame on you ! Challenging a story in the ..... Daily Express .... which claims that "experts," in the form of the "Alliance of British Drivers" are calling for an end to the ICE ban.

Are you suggesting that the Daily Express is not a reliable source?

Or that the "Alliance of British Drivers" aren't important "experts?"

Who are the "Alliance of British Drivers" you may ask?

Umm, that would be less that one thousand members of an anti-climate change and anti-speed limit pressure group, with no formal connection to any experts at all

A++ sir.

 

[clk320x]

Feel free to post a pic of the vehicle in question sans steering wheel and pedals you pedantic ****.

Poor debate resorting to profanity.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Feel free to post a pic of the vehicle in question sans steering wheel and pedals you pedantic ****.

Are you OK hun?

As much as I would love to post photos, Apple never launched their autonomous car. It’s years away from launch and even then the legislative hurdles are not quick to leap over and so unlikely to have ever appeared in this decade.

Their test vehicles tested the technology mounted to vehicles built by established car manufacturers, rather than the target platform and drive train, so there’s not much to see. They are also incredibly tight on the co trip of projects.

PS I respect that you may feel that my posts are pedantic, however the defining features of the car that Apple was working on was that it would have no driver interface, not that it would be electric. The article you posted recognised this.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Yes of course EV's are less connected devices than ICE's. EV's are definitely not computers on wheels at all. Analogue devices through and through.

A car produced in 2024 has broadly equivalent computing power regardless of whether it’s EV or ICE. An EV powertrain is actually very simple to manage and actually requires less compute capacity than an ICE. Non drive train computing power is the same.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Media are a funny thing.... I've just caught up with some Giles Coren "stuff." Giles was the - very talented - Times Journalist who threw out his Jaguar I-Pace in January 2023, after lots of aggravation. it was unreliable, needed to keep going back to the garage, kept on getting nicked, etc...

Why I’ve pulled the plug on my electric car

As I watch my family strike out on foot across the fields into driving rain and gathering darkness, my wife holding each child’s hand, our new year plans in ruins, while I do what I can to make our

www.thetimes.co.uk

Now, because of what he wrote I had it in my head that he'd dumped EV's altogether. Maybe others thought so too.....

But no, in January 2023 he became a BMW i3 owner. He converted to the i3 EV because he thinks it won't get nicked, it's easy to park and it's ideal for London.

These I3's get everywhere....

Il Portico restaurant review: ‘Really good food, wild and fresh’

‘Eating out is now 30 per cent pricier than it was pre-pandemic. Do the Times accounts people know that?’

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I think this is EV facts rather than politics

But other views are available

London congestion and CO2 emissions measurably firmly up, compared to 2019

Congestion has risen in London since Ulez’s launch

Sadiq Khan’s office claimed in 2020 that the clean air scheme had reduced traffic in the central zone by about 10 per cent

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[ChipChop]

Poor debate resorting to profanity.

The word i use was hardly profane, not that it matters.

 

[clk320x]

The word i use was hardly profane, not that it matters.

Enough for the forum filter to block it out.

It matters because reasoned debate is great, but when you can no longer do that and resort to foul language it’s somewhat off-putting.

 

[clk320x]

The new SU7 seems pretty nice.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/xiaomi-has-unveiled-its-tesla-rivalling-su7-saloon

 

[ChipChop]

Enough for the forum filter to block it out.

It matters because reasoned debate is great, but when you can no longer do that and resort to foul language it’s somewhat off-putting.

Then feel free to put a strongly worded complaint in to the management. They may even let you know the word i used when mildy irritated by BD's pedantry.

 

[ChipChop]

PS I respect that you may feel that my posts are pedantic, however the defining features of the car that Apple was working on was that it would have no driver interface, not that it would be electric. The article you posted recognised this.

The title of the BBC piece posted was "Apple unplugs self driving electric car project, report says"

But in the interest of keeping the peace i apolgise for the word used and accept fully (honest) that EV's are the best thing since sliced bread, even though they are made in China.

 

[Dryce]

Yes of course EV's are less connected devices than ICE's. EV's are definitely not computers on wheels at all. Analogue devices through and through.

It doesn't really matter whether the vehicle is a EV or ICE.

Cars (generically) have had quite advanced digital processors and internal networks since the late 80s. Self parking as a feature has been around for what ? 20 years ? MB had 'brake by wire' with SBC over 20 years ago. Automatic transmissions with electronics and hydraulics - and versions with automatic clutches have been around for longer.

 

[markjay]

And there was me thinking autonomy was brought to market by Tesla, an EV only car manufacturer.

The idea for the Google Self Driving Car was first raised by Sebastian Thrun in 2009, with Google X (now Waymo) founded in 2010.

On one hand you could argue that Elon Musk was the first to bring the technology to market, but on the other hand Tesla never actually developed a driverless car, while Google did (they used a Toyota Prius with the steering wheel removed).

The tech doesn't require the car to be an EV, but obviously given that ICE is slowly dying, any new driverless car will very be likely be based on EV, not ICE.