The EV fact thread

[ChipChop]

NEVER....EVER.....has the temperature risen so fast in the history of the planet....compared to how its risen since the industrial revolution....evidence from ice cores and rocks proves this.. The fact that humans are causing or at the very least massively speeding up the current temp rise has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt by thousands of independent (non gov funded) scientists globally. I didnt want to believe it either being a petrol head..but that's the fact of the matter.

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Evidence - NASA Science

Takeaways The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia. Earth’s climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking...

climate.nasa.gov

The above graph, thanks to NASA (never a straight answer) appears to have omitted the 600 year long medieval warm period. Warm being indicative of higher greenhouse Co2 levels. The scale is also so vast it is ridiculous but seeks to make a point of the rate of change between 1911 and today.

This often cited uptick in Co2 and hence global average temperature is a theory propogated by the IPCC thanks to one Dr Michael Mann who in a 2017 court case was unable or unwilling to produce the raw data for his Hockey Stick graph computer modelling. Feel free to look into the issues surrounding that particular piece of work.

 

[markjay]

It is not a tough one at all. You buy products made locally not made on the other side of the world.

This means that your own community prospers while the rest of the world lives in poverty. Globalisation is about combining forces as well sharing (some of) the wealth. What you are proposing is really a backwards step that takes us a peg down in social evolution. Pushed to the extreme you could argue than mankind never had it better when we were all just small hunter-gatherers tribes. Much of what we have today in medicine, science, and technology would not have been possible without global cooperation.

 

[ALFAitalia]

The MWUP was actually "only" about 400 years 900 to about 1300....and a freak increase in solar radiation, changes in ocean circulation. and a big decrease in volcanic activity. A 400 year blip wont even show on that graph with about 100,000 years per inch!

 

[markjay]

And the emerging technology of Artificial Intelligence is predicted to use more electricity than EV's. Appears some are still allowed to use as much electricity as they like.

If AI works, then the machines will be more clever than us and they will find a more efficient way to power themselves without killing the planet.

 

[ChipChop]

A 400 year blip wont even show on that graph with about 100,000 years per inch!

Yet the rate of change between 1911 and today is shown and highlighted. The graph is disingenuous, just like Dr Mann's average global temp hockey stick graph.

 

[ChipChop]

This means that your own community prospers while the rest of the world lives in poverty. Globalisation is about combining forces as well sharing (some of) the wealth. What you are proposing is really a backwards step that takes us a peg down in social evolution. Pushed to the extreme you could argue than mankind never had it better when we were all just small hunter-gatherers tribes. Much of what we have today in medicine, science, and technology would not have been possible without global cooperation.

No the rest of the world also supports there own locally produced goods and services and hence local economies prosper.

 

[ChipChop]

If AI works, then the machines will be more clever than us and they will find a more efficient way to power themselves without killing the planet.

Great pitch for a Hollywood blockbuster however far more likely that as AI seeks to become ever more powerful that means greater processing power is required so 8XGPU's become 16/32/64/128XGPU's and on it goes.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Yet the rate of change between 1911 and today is shown and highlighted. The graph is disingenuous, just like Dr Mann's average global temp hockey stick graph.

I you are trying to say that man is not responsible for recent climate change you are on to a loser.......its proven beyond all doubt to be fact.

 

[SmartAmg]

WOW! Who'd have thought we would be on 1,629 posts about Facts on EVs. Mind Boggling.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Of which I would guess about 20% are actual facts....the rest are just opinions....many of which, especially the anti EV posts, are about as far away from "fact" as you could be!!

 

[Dryce]

WOW! Who'd have thought we would be on 1,629 posts about Facts on EVs. Mind Boggling.

Bit like politics .... because .... it's a bit like politics.

 

[190]

And the emerging technology of Artificial Intelligence is predicted to use more electricity than EV's. Appears some are still allowed to use as much electricity as they like.

On a similar theme, I find it hard to take any governments net zero pronouncements seriously while they permit bitcoin mining. At least AI has a chance of producing something useful where as bitcoin mining is simply greed based gratuitous pollution. Any government that bans it has my respect for an honest first step in the right direction regardless of what else they do.

 

[markjay]

Great pitch for a Hollywood blockbuster ...

Thank you for your kind words. My next career awaits, it seems!

 

[JHS]

Reading through this thread, and the one about EVs and battery damage, I got to speculating how many of the pro EV posters used their own money to buy their cars and are GENUINELY concerned about the environment, and how many are driving them as company cars with tax benefits and feel the need to justify their choice. How would that translate across the national EV ownership?
For the avoidance of all doubt, I am ambivalent towards EVs and would probably buy one if I could afford a used one that met my specification expectations.

So at the most 2 of us paid with their own cash? So what would happen to EV sales if all of the tax advantages were removed overnight? Do you think that a majority of those that moved to driving EVs would continue to do so come the next company car change over?
Strangely, I believe that they would.

 

[Bellow]

Perhaps it’s rate of change which worries those who are experts in such matters.

If the current rate of change is extrapolated over a typical timeframe of previous warmer events, the planet's temperature will rise to 175C.
If the rate of change is of no concern, why did Exxon-Mobil spend $millions suppressing and opposing the data?

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

So at the most 2 of us paid with their own cash? So what would happen to EV sales if all of the tax advantages were removed overnight? Do you think that a majority of those that moved to driving EVs would continue to do so come the next company car change over?
Strangely, I believe that they would.

The vast majority of company cars are purchased (or leased) by companies and even without the tax incentives, most of those companies would continue to operate an EV first policy as part of their sustainability plan.

As many of their company car drivers have already made the move to EV, continuing to use EVs is unlikely to create resistance through change for all but the minority who use ICE by exception.

Smaller companies, may take a different view.

 

[clk320x]

So at the most 2 of us paid with their own cash? So what would happen to EV sales if all of the tax advantages were removed overnight? Do you think that a majority of those that moved to driving EVs would continue to do so come the next company car change over?
Strangely, I believe that they would.

Add me to the own cash list.

This is hardly a good representation considering there’s a single digit number of EV drivers on here?

If you go on some actual EV groups you’ll see plenty of people have bought with their own money.

 

[ALFAitalia]

We had to fund our company ICE pickup trucks ourselves via the dealer......rather than our bank (with its lower rate) as usual....why?....because we were buying derv trucks (like there's any other choice for towing caravans long distances).....and its against their current sustainability and green policy for small businesses. That might be it for Natwest....they have messed us about too much recently.

 

[Bellow]

The fleet/company lease EVs in the system that will eventually become the pool of EVs available to those outside that somewhat closed eco-system, how many are suited to someone looking to replace a typical ICE hatchback? The ones I see being mentioned are to my mind high end luxury cars that the typical driver of a hatchback would reject as impractical, overly complex, and overly expensive to maintain (gizmos not propulsion).

 

[ALFAitalia]

Its been a while since hatchbacks were typical.....SUVs have ruled the roost for a few years now......and since most EVs are SUV shaped it wont be an issue for most. Even my dad after years of hatchback use now runs a Qashqai....so going EV for him is no issue. He, like most, is no petrolhead and could not care less what powers his car.